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Old 28 February 2010, 12:51 AM   #1
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good advice Camembert. I did here back, but have withdrawn the watch for sale for the time being. Was just offered a trade for the same watch but mine has a jubilee and his an Oyster band (what i prefer) waiting for photos etc. will let you know if i do it!
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Old 14 March 2010, 07:14 PM   #2
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great story with a nice ending!

when you guys to reference checks what are some questions you ask
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Old 14 March 2010, 07:14 PM   #3
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great story with a nice ending!

when you guys to reference checks what are some questions you ask
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Old 14 March 2010, 07:16 PM   #4
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great story with a nice ending!

when you guys to reference checks what are some questions you ask?
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Old 26 March 2010, 03:51 AM   #5
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Congrats on persevering and having your watches returned, and thank you for sharing your experience with the rest of us here!
I agree that a contract needs to be formalised so members rights are protected, not just for buying and selling but also for other services rendered eg watch oiling/servicing etc.
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Old 7 May 2010, 08:54 AM   #6
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Today, I emailed the lead detective on the case in Columbia to see if the perpetrator was ever charged, as we uncovered evidence that he was attempting similar scams both on TRF and on timezone.com. Here was his response this afternoon:

Unfortunately after discussing the case with our Assist Solicitor at that time, he would not authorize me getting an arrest warrant due to no actual loss of money or property from all parties involved. However, if future events should happen again, then I should be able to go against the subject. Thank you for inquiring and if there is anything else I can do for you, just let me know. Lt. *** *****
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Old 2 July 2010, 05:44 AM   #7
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Wow I´m so happy for you, I hope that you will find your gold Sub and wear it in good helath.
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Old 3 July 2010, 08:31 AM   #8
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Fascinating read!
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Old 6 July 2010, 02:02 AM   #9
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WOW! Just read it all.....

This is my first post as I am getting ready to buy my 3rd Rolex and
wanted to learn more about Rolex and the buying process through the internet. My first two were given as gifts--
one 20 years ago and the other 10 years ago. I read the entire post and I
have to say it makes me not want to buy from any other place but an AD!
I look forward to getting to know sellers on this forum and feeling more
comfortable with the process. I am thrilled this all worked out for Mark!
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Old 9 July 2010, 12:05 PM   #10
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My first post too!

Certainly an educational read this, perhaps required reading one might say.

I'm pleased to see this is a great forum with quite a community helping each other out. Hopefully not too many people will repeat such an experience as Joey's, and experiences like this teach everyone a lot.

I joined hoping to find out more info on my humble collection of a 1680 and a 16660 so I'll see you in the forums!

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Old 9 July 2010, 12:13 PM   #11
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I've certainly learned a great deal at TRF. I was educated royally by the scam and was lucky enough to get my watches and cash back. I've since purchased three more watches from extremely trustworthy TRF sellers.

The scammer was never charged with a crime, and the case is closed.
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Old 9 July 2010, 04:54 PM   #12
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That is great to hear. I am so glad that you managed to recover everything.
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Old 9 July 2010, 06:19 PM   #13
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What a scary experience you've been through.... this is a lesson to anyone in the TRF.... too bad the guy can't be charged with crime he tried to do several times !!!!
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Old 9 July 2010, 07:36 PM   #14
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Tenacity, Honesty and Integrity will always prevail.

I just read this whole thread and went through an emotional rollercoaster of feelings.

I am looking to purchase a rolex from TRF members ...
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Old 9 July 2010, 10:59 PM   #15
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I am looking to purchase a rolex from TRF members ...
One would think after an experience like this that I would walk away from ever buying an expensive watch on the net, but in all honesty, I wouldn't buy a non-AD watch from anyone other than a trusted TRF seller.
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Old 11 July 2010, 03:13 AM   #16
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One would think after an experience like this that I would walk away from ever buying an expensive watch on the net, but in all honesty, I wouldn't buy a non-AD watch from anyone other than a trusted TRF seller.
Says a lot for TRF...
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Old 5 August 2010, 05:38 PM   #17
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I'm so happy for you Joey.. just read the thread and i am glad it ended this way.
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Old 6 August 2010, 11:46 AM   #18
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Skype can assist with ID in transactions

I have just read this entire thread (phew) and a great outcome Joey - thru a combination of hard work on your and other members part plus some luck. While there is no foolproof method of ensuring a positive outcome to all sales (except perhaps when dealing with the well known long time members on this forum or by face to face meetings) another useful step in a transaction process may be for sellers/buyers to also make contact via a Skype video call which is free and easy to do. At least then there could be picture records of the participants. Also, if members were required to have an actual photo for their avatar (scary in some cases I know!), video footage of the transaction participants would assist buyers/sellers with identifuying who they are dealing with.
Anyway, well done Doc!

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Old 6 August 2010, 12:10 PM   #19
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If nothing else speaks to the power of the internet in the hands of good people, this story certainly does.
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Old 6 August 2010, 01:02 PM   #20
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^ Indeed. There was a somewhat-famous animal abuse case in which a dedicated and skilled group of users on a forum found the criminal... Search "Dusty the cat" if you'd like to learn about it.
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Old 10 August 2010, 05:38 PM   #21
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wow what a great story and im glad there was a happy ending for you. I too was dealing via email to purchase a 16610 off craigs list and the seller seemed great and returned my emails promptly and send personalized pictures... Until i said i would meet him at the Rolex AD that was very close to him in Vancouver for inspection and cash hand over... that was the last i heard from him... stupid scammers they deserve to have their legs broken!!
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Old 11 August 2010, 03:24 AM   #22
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Just read this thread(well, most of it anyway!)
Well done for getting the money back.
I just dont really see the point in them trying to scam if they cant actually manage to pull it off, what a complete waste of everyones time!

I got totally ripped off on ebay about 8 years ago on a Rolex Daytona. Im based in the UK, bought it off an Irish bloke in Australia, wired the money via western union money transfer. He kept telling me that the watch was on its way, giving me dodgy fedex tracking numbers, and then one day his mobile phone was off forever!
I had a friend over there who went to his address, it was an empty workshop next to a filling station!
In a week he made around £30,000, i spoke to a German bloke who he took for £8k but none of us had any luck in finding him or getting the money back. The police over here at the time were not interested, ebay was just stating to get popular. Western Union didnt care, and the credit card companies did absolutley nothing either. Bad times! :(
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Old 3 September 2010, 12:01 PM   #23
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Wow, what a read! I recently convinced my wife that buying online and specifially from a trusted seller on TRF can be safe and secure (though I have yet to do it). She would HAVE A COW if she read this thread!
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Old 3 September 2010, 12:39 PM   #24
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Wow! Very glad it all worked out Joey.
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Old 11 October 2010, 04:37 AM   #25
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Glad to hear everything worked out for you.

But I'm curious, what would have been the significance of him posting a picture of the watch's paperwork? To prove it was authentic? Or was the thought that he may have just grabbed a picture and never had the watch to begin with?
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Old 11 October 2010, 06:33 AM   #26
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But I'm curious, what would have been the significance of him posting a picture of the watch's paperwork? To prove it was authentic? Or was the thought that he may have just grabbed a picture and never had the watch to begin with?
According to the detective in Columbia, Hayes never had the watch to begin with. I don't know where he got the photos, but he could never produce the watch for law enforcement.
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Old 11 October 2010, 08:47 AM   #27
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According to the detective in Columbia, Hayes never had the watch to begin with. I don't know where he got the photos, but he could never produce the watch for law enforcement.
Ahhh, ok. That makes sense then.
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Old 4 September 2010, 01:06 AM   #28
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Wow, what a read! I recently convinced my wife that buying online and specifially from a trusted seller on TRF can be safe and secure (though I have yet to do it). She would HAVE A COW if she read this thread!
I've since purchased three more Rolexes from train-time (2) and Steve Mulholland (1.) The transactions went perfectly. In fact, Tim (train-time) had a Daytona boxed and shipped before my bank wire even cleared. I would trust these guys, along with several other great sellers here on TRF, with a 100 grand transaction. If you find the watch you want being sold by one of the "trusted sellers" I say go for it with confidence.

You can imagine that Mrs. Chitwood was more than a little concerned when I decided to do another TRF purchase after the scam fiasco, but she now has confidence in these guys too.
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Old 4 September 2010, 05:48 AM   #29
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Joey, very glad to hear that it all worked out for you.
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Old 4 September 2010, 05:55 AM   #30
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who are the current trusted sellers?
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