Bigger Sub next?

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I'm not sure why you need Rolex to fill all those spots in your collection quite honestly. I own other brands of course as many Rolex owners do. Rolex doesn't have to offer every size of every model. You have a SD43 and DSSD model that are very close in style/appearance/function to the Sub and yet different sizes. Why add more production costs for something like a 42mm Sub if you're Rolex for a marginal market with probable decreasing profit margins at that point? Not sure why you think Rolex needs to add more dive watches considering the 4 solid models they do now(Sub, Sub Date, SD43, DSSD. Not to mention color variations in the LV and D-Blue. More just dilutes brand value, which you didn't address at all as Rolex's business model has never been to offer as many variations of models as some other manufactures. You seem more of a troll type, so I'll leave you be

Oh and if you want a bigger Rolex chrono than the Daytona, get a YM2 perhaps!

Don't forget the Tudor BB and Pelagos. Rolex divers are all up sized from the five digit days.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

Don't forget the Tudor BB and Pelagos. Rolex divers are all up sized from the five digit days.

Very true we didn't even begin to broach the subject of Tudor and all the additional size/color/material/movement options they offer and compliment Rolex.

[locutus49]

Well, I can only speak about Americans, but studies show they are getting larger. Does this mean people are getting larger wrists? I don't know.

People are fatter, and they are taller. But are their wrists bigger?

[eonflux]

Originally Posted by Ally9

More chance that SDDS is discontinued IMO

I think the black DSSD could fade away

But the D-Blue could persist for a while as long as demand is there for that dial

[eonflux]

Originally Posted by locutus49

Well, I can only speak about Americans, but studies show they are getting larger. Does this mean people are getting larger wrists? I don't know.

People are fatter, and they are taller. But are their wrists bigger?

Subcutaneous fat could make wrists larger

But even if wrists are not getting larger with the increased overall weight, a larger watch could be a better match, particularly if more adipose deposits in the upper arms

[Bernie.H.]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I'm not sure why you need Rolex to fill all those spots in your collection quite honestly. I own other brands of course as many Rolex owners do. Rolex doesn't have to offer every size of every model. You have a SD43 and DSSD model that are very close in style/appearance/function to the Sub and yet different sizes. Why add more production costs for something like a 42mm Sub if you're Rolex for a marginal market with probable decreasing profit margins at that point? Not sure why you think Rolex needs to add more dive watches considering the 4 solid models they do now(Sub, Sub Date, SD43, DSSD. Not to mention color variations in the LV and D-Blue. More just dilutes brand value, which you didn't address at all as Rolex's business model has never been to offer as many variations of models as some other manufactures. You seem more of a troll type, so I'll leave you be

Oh and if you want a bigger Rolex chrono than the Daytona, get a YM2 perhaps!

So having two sizes of the same sports watch dilutes the 'brand' and you know the inner workings of Rolex's business model, wow. Also if someone wants a larger Daytona they should settle for a YM2 !! another wow. Not only that but I'm a troll for having a different view, not to mention people should also look at Tudor if they want a larger Rolex sports watch. You 40mm Taliban guys don't like any deviation from the 40mm Holy Book. As previously stated, you are funny, Happy Jihad

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Bernie.H.

So having two sizes of the same sports watch dilutes the 'brand' and you know the inner workings of Rolex's business model, wow. Also if someone wants a larger Daytona they should settle for a YM2 !! another wow. Not only that but I'm a troll for having a different view, not to mention people should also look at Tudor if they want a larger Rolex sports watch. You 40mm Taliban guys don't like any deviation from the 40mm Holy Book. As previously stated, you are funny, Happy Jihad

You're a troll for your splash proof comment and kind of jerk to be quite honest.

I'd consider your references to be quite offensive to some. Grow up buddy.

[Bernie.H.]

Originally Posted by 904VT

You're a troll for your splash proof comment and kind of jerk to be quite honest.

I'd consider your references to be quite offensive to some. Grow up buddy.

Oooh precious is upset because someone doesn't agree with him. You haven't mentioned 'the big watch fad' for a couple of posts, your slipping. I was obviously right, 'if the cap fits wear it'.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Why would they do a 42mm sub. They just launched a 43mm sub. Better chance of hell freezing over.

Originally Posted by Maxy

They just now launched SD43 and they got 1 more strong reason NOT to increase size on Submariner. They got all sizes covered now!

Yes, having tried on the SD43 today it really is just like a big Subc, no need for one, altho if it is a great seller they may offer the black Subc in two sizes or the LVc or maybe even a blue dial version.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Bernie.H.

Oooh precious is upset because someone doesn't agree with him. You haven't mentioned 'the big watch fad' for a couple of posts, your slipping. I was obviously right, 'if the cap fits wear it'.

It seems your go to is to call someone names that doesn't agree with you. That would be the irritating portion and doesn't really have a place in a discussion about watches by enthusiasts, regardless of opinion. Also, you made a habit out of stretching my words to benefit your opinion. I never once said such as "Since I like 40mm no one else has the right etc". Those were your words/setiment and the twisting isn't appreciated and your radical references are out of line.

BTW I also own watches larger than 40mm

[Bernie.H.]

Originally Posted by 904VT

It seems your go to is to call someone names that doesn't agree with you. That would be the irritating portion and doesn't really have a place in a discussion about watches by enthusiasts, regardless of opinion. Also, you made a habit out of stretching my words to benefit your opinion. I never once said such as "Since I like 40mm no one else has the right etc". Those were your words/setiment and the twisting isn't appreciated and your radical references are out of line.

BTW I also own watches larger than 40mm

Unbelievable, read your posts.....Also trying to get others on your side with your 'no place' comments, is such a big girls thing to do, you are really showing your true colours. Remember the saying : 'when in a hole stop digging' .

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Bernie.H.

Unbelievable, read your posts.....Also trying to get others on your side with your 'no place' comments, is such a big girls thing to do, you are really showing your true colours. Remember the saying : 'when in a hole stop digging' .

Showing true colors as in not being ok with you calling me Taliban. OK

You may want to take some time to read the forum rules

[sechsgang]

Originally Posted by Jsanders1985

Why couldn't Rolex offer both a 40mm and 42mm size option like other brands do?

This, completely this.

[RonSwanson]

I'm proud Rolex for bucking th silly oversized trend that started 10 plus years ago, and is coming to a swift end. A Rolex has always been more of a timeless statement piece than a trendy ultra modern watch. Those with huge wrists or a strict adherence to trends can buy oversized panerais or invictas. Gents needing a foolproof go-to can count on a sub now and in the future. Just like a well fitting suit is never really out of style, nor should the sub.

Also, they already do offer a wide line of sizes, they simply have different names, the sub remains the correct choice for the majority of mainstream clients. If I wanted dozens of different models, colors, sizes and complications, I'd go with an omega whose model number is longer than a cars vin number, and way more difficult to decode. More options within the same model line is the definition of dilution. I want to be able to Buy a sub, or a seadweller, not some build your own submariner anything your willing to pay for mashup. Rolex knows they have the formula right, and that's why it is the lay persons definition of a luxury watch.

Go ask a non watch person if they'd like a Rolex sub or an omega sea master coaxial 45mm liquid metal pumpkin special. Deep down we all know this simple truth.

[Maxy]

Originally Posted by Jsanders1985

Why couldn't Rolex offer both a 40mm and 42mm size option like other brands do?

For simple reason that shows desperation and Rolex isn't desperate to make a sale that way! Also, Rolex decides the best possible dial configuration and size for a model. Either you buy that or not. It is not trying to sell that particular model to everyone out there.

Lets take example of Railmaster: Omega re-launched Railmaster model in 2003 with so much fanfare and it was great design. They tried to satisfy everyone and made multiple versions of the same model in 36mm, 39mm, 42mm and even 49mm. What did it do? Kill the model's uniqueness completely and Omega had to kill the model within few years. I bet, if they had released just the perfect proportioned 39mm Railmaster in 2003, slowly folks will get used to the classic feel to it and it would have been never discontinued. my

[pd999]

Originally Posted by eonflux

I think the black DSSD could fade away ...

You may be right

[run23]

I hope not. Bring back the 36mm Explorer 1!

[Xerxes77]

Originally Posted by AK797

Rolex really like the 40mm's dial as it is - on the Subc they made the case bigger, on the SD43 the bezel is bigger, the dials are the same. Don't think there will be any enlargements to the Sub and if so it will only be with a thicker bezel which I don't want.

[Jcy90]

Doubtful

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by RonSwanson

I'm proud Rolex for bucking th silly oversized trend that started 10 plus years ago, and is coming to a swift end. A Rolex has always been more of a timeless statement piece than a trendy ultra modern watch. Those with huge wrists or a strict adherence to trends can buy oversized panerais or invictas. Gents needing a foolproof go-to can count on a sub now and in the future. Just like a well fitting suit is never really out of style, nor should the sub.

Also, they already do offer a wide line of sizes, they simply have different names, the sub remains the correct choice for the majority of mainstream clients. If I wanted dozens of different models, colors, sizes and complications, I'd go with an omega whose model number is longer than a cars vin number, and way more difficult to decode. More options within the same model line is the definition of dilution. I want to be able to Buy a sub, or a seadweller, not some build your own submariner anything your willing to pay for mashup. Rolex knows they have the formula right, and that's why it is the lay persons definition of a luxury watch.

Go ask a non watch person if they'd like a Rolex sub or an omega sea master coaxial 45mm liquid metal pumpkin special. Deep down we all know this simple truth.

Are you referring to the Sub C when you mention the Sub?

If I recall correctly the Sub went from being rather conservative and stylish to an obese thing in the change to the Sub just so it would look and wear bigger.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Maxy

For simple reason that shows desperation and Rolex isn't desperate to make a sale that way! Also, Rolex decides the best possible dial configuration and size for a model. Either you buy that or not. It is not trying to sell that particular model to everyone out there.

Lets take example of Railmaster: Omega re-launched Railmaster model in 2003 with so much fanfare and it was great design. They tried to satisfy everyone and made multiple versions of the same model in 36mm, 39mm, 42mm and even 49mm. What did it do? Kill the model's uniqueness completely and Omega had to kill the model within few years. I bet, if they had released just the perfect proportioned 39mm Railmaster in 2003, slowly folks will get used to the classic feel to it and it would have been never discontinued. my

Good point.

However, I own the 42 mm version and I think it's the perfect size.
It's a delightful watch in every respect IMO.

I was never aware of the 36 mm version and my impression was that it only came in the 3 different sizes with the largest version for some reason having a seconds sub dial.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by speedmaster73

No theres not. Omegas POs have been 42,45.5 now 43.5mm FOR YEARS!!

Speedy pro has been 42mm for years

Pam PP VC AP list gos on

Rolex has even produced the deepsea now for approx 8 years

There is no trend. 40-45mm are here to stay. Ar some point it stops being a trend. That point has passed.

Why are the only ones who whine rolex purists????

No one else whines

Yes indeed the list does go on.
IWC should've got a mention with the introduction of the Big Pilot with other models like all the pilots watch models progressively going up scale and even the elegant Portofino.
On the other side of it, if I'm not mistaken the Portugueser isn't exactly small either and never really has been.

[speedmaster73]

Originally Posted by RonSwanson

I'm proud Rolex for bucking th silly oversized trend that started 10 plus years ago, and is coming to a swift end. A Rolex has always been more of a timeless statement piece than a trendy ultra modern watch. Those with huge wrists or a strict adherence to trends can buy oversized panerais or invictas. Gents needing a foolproof go-to can count on a sub now and in the future. Just like a well fitting suit is never really out of style, nor should the sub.

Also, they already do offer a wide line of sizes, they simply have different names, the sub remains the correct choice for the majority of mainstream clients. If I wanted dozens of different models, colors, sizes and complications, I'd go with an omega whose model number is longer than a cars vin number, and way more difficult to decode. More options within the same model line is the definition of dilution. I want to be able to Buy a sub, or a seadweller, not some build your own submariner anything your willing to pay for mashup. Rolex knows they have the formula right, and that's why it is the lay persons definition of a luxury watch.

Go ask a non watch person if they'd like a Rolex sub or an omega sea master coaxial 45mm liquid metal pumpkin special. Deep down we all know this simple truth.

You DO realize that Rolex just took a 40mm SD and made it 43mm right?


You DO realize that Patek Phillipe just released a WG aquanaut in 42mm right?

Been to AP or VC websites lately? Blancpain?

Rolex datejusts in 41mm? Explorers 42mm YM 44mm

Heres the deal again. There is no more trend/fad whatever a purists wants to call it. Get over it.

Oh yeah. Skydweller? Whats that mm spec again?

Rolex is bucking nothing.

No worries. Rolex and other brands will always have 36mm 40mm options as well.

Dont be mad.

[Ravager135]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

For sure anything is possible. Personally, I think they have a good range of sizes now, with the SD having more of its own identity (just like the Explorer II in 42 has more of a separate identity compared to the GMT).

MY exact feelings on the subject. Rolex has variation in size across the diver line now. I doubt they'd upsize the Submariner to compete with the Sea-Dweller.

[RonSwanson]

Originally Posted by speedmaster73

You DO realize that Rolex just took a 40mm SD and made it 43mm right?


You DO realize that Patek Phillipe just released a WG aquanaut in 42mm right?

Been to AP or VC websites lately? Blancpain?

Rolex datejusts in 41mm? Explorers 42mm YM 44mm

Heres the deal again. There is no more trend/fad whatever a purists wants to call it. Get over it.

Oh yeah. Skydweller? Whats that mm spec again?

Rolex is bucking nothing.

No worries. Rolex and other brands will always have 36mm 40mm options as well.

Dont be mad.

Not mad, No worries. I do realize most Rolex sport watches are similar even with different case diameters, but they also have different names in order to avoid the brand dillution that omega is so guilty of.

As far as ap, vc, and pp go, they are niche brands and will take chances, every one of their models is respected because of the prestige of the brand, not because of its timeless style. Why don't you reference the patek ellipse for an example. 40-41mm is a natural progression in order to keep pace, at least with Americans.

Rolex did indeed bulk up the sub ceramic, it it is still the same 40mm. Saying a bulky 40mm watch is somehow cheating vs a bigger more traditional watch is akin to pitting Jason stathom who is 5' 10 to Taylor swift who is shockingly 5'11.

I know that you know that size is not the only credential that matters, but the point is Rolex has become more stylish and masculine within traditional dimensions (stathem) while other watch brands have simply scaled up there original designs to keep pace with the average waistline.

Also size is relative to usage, the yachtmaster 2 needs to be very and quickly visible in broad daylight, and I'm actually surprised it doesn't include audible alarms.

Skydweller is the same sort of "glanceworthy" watch for the world traveler. Explorer 2 is meant for cave dwellers who need to be reminded what is day and night, readability and lume are at a premium for these folks. The sub however is the quintessential dive/sport watch. If it were to grow too big it would lose the the versatility that made it what it is. A bigger watch would not serve a recreational diver.

The sub is as appropriate strapped over a wet suit as it is in a board room because it is a reasonable size and style. A deep sea wouldn't work on a tiny deep sea diver in a meeting, and a 36mm wouldn't work on the average sized American man today, regardless of setting.

In my opinion the sub is the most appropriate model for the widest range of people, and that's why it doesn't need a ton of references in order to be successful.

No need for raw emotions, I too hope you receive this kindly and in good health. With all of my best wishes. -Ron

[Uppersouth]

They can leave the sub alone as far I am concerned. Just open up more dial, bezel and metal choices for the SD43. That should remedy the problem.

[Psmith]

Given that all Rolex divers were once 40mm, you could logically argue that they will now standardize at a larger size. Or, they could redesign the Sub Date at 42mm and leave the Sub (no date) at 40mm. But as ever with Rolex, there's no real way of knowing what they will do/not do.

[Xerxes77]

I think never ever Rolex don't make a bigger case for his iconic Sub!

[33JS]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Why would they do a 42mm sub. They just launched a 43mm sub. Better chance of hell freezing over.

...end of thread....!

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by Xerxes77

I think never ever Rolex don't make a bigger case for his iconic Sub!

Not so long ago, the idea of a 43mm Sea-Dweller would have seemed unthinkable to some people.