Time to ban investment discussions?

[Chewbacca]

I also prefer if it were more 2008 than 2018 but that doesn’t keep the lights on.

Most topics have been covered, and in 2008 the discussion was more ballbreaking and banter with technical insight in a respectful discussion manner - which isn’t always the case today.

Newer Rolex owners and fans are also more about the marketed culture and associated brands and not the historical and technical subculture. Google has replaced much of the old forum topics too.

It’s a tricky balance but there’s lower hanging fruit to fiddle with than investment discussions.

[BobDyl]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

I also prefer if it were more 2008 than 2018 but that doesn’t keep the lights on.

Most topics have been covered, and in 2008 the discussion was more ballbreaking and banter in a respectful manner - which isn’t always the case today. Newer Rolex owners and fans are also more about the marketed culture and associated brands and not the historical and technical subculture.

It’s a tricky balance but there’s lower hanging fruit to fiddle with than investment discussions.

Unfortunately I think you are correct. Impossible to recreate the lightning in a bottle from back in the day probably.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by BobDyl

Unfortunately I think you are correct. Impossible to recreate the lightning in a bottle from back in the day probably.

Totally.


I sometimes read 10yr old threads and love the ballbreaking and lingo. I even wonder how a member from back then finds and survives on the forum today?

Sad to say but many of those threads would’ve been locked today.

[BobDyl]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Totally.


I sometimes read 10yr old threads and love the ballbreaking and lingo. I even wonder how a member from back then finds and survives on the forum today?

Sad to say but many of those threads would’ve been locked today.

Yep. Just too big a community now to manage in the same way or even have the same feel. However, I think TRF and the TRF mods have done a great job in both managing growth and keeping things civil.

[jb335]

I’m reluctant to ban topics. Totally agree with most existing bans on topics though. But I don’t like to go crazy with controlling dialog.

There are certain topics I have no interest in discussing, so I just avoid reading and replying to those threads. Pretty easy to do. Don’t understand why some people that want a topic banned just because they don’t enjoy discussing it.


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[BobDyl]

Originally Posted by jb335

I’m reluctant to ban topics. Totally agree with most existing bans on topics though. But I don’t like to go crazy with controlling dialog.

There are certain topics I have no interest in discussing, so I just avoid reading and replying to those threads. Pretty easy to do. Don’t understand why some people that want a topic banned just because they don’t enjoy discussing it.


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As I stated before. there's actually no way to avoid the cost/price/value discussion anymore. Even topics like "Chonergy escapement physics" somehow devolve into cost/value discussions. I don't seriously believe they can be banned but it sure has gotten old.

[Houston77]

The OP loaded the questions and no is still winning.

[superdog]

To each their own.

I don’t like it when people dictate what I can or can’t do.

So I try not to do it to others.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by superdog

To each their own.

I don’t like it when people dictate what I can or can’t do.

So I try not to do it to others.

Um but there are rules here such as no discussions on weapons, politics or religion among other things. That's dictated for a reason and agreed upon by you as a member and donator. Hard to say I don't like "this" but "that" is ok. There's no difference in what the op is suggesting but I can see this subject isn't as tense or that wars have been fought by...but still a bit irritating to constantly read about buying related solely to investing as the main consideration.

[jb335]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Um but there are rules here such as no discussions on weapons, politics or religion among other things. That's dictated for a reason and agreed upon by you as a member and donator. Hard to say I don't like "this" but "that" is ok. There's no difference in what the op is suggesting but I can see this subject isn't as tense or that wars have been fought by...but still a bit irritating to constantly read about buying related solely to investing as the main consideration.

Yes, but those topics (religion, politics and weapons) have absolutely NOTHING to do with watches. Like it or not, money/investment can be related to watch purchasing and ownership..

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by jb335

Yes, but those topics (religion, politics and weapons) have absolutely NOTHING to do with watches. Like it or not, money/investment can be related to watch purchasing and ownership..

That's why I specifically said that this topic isn't as tense or a reason wars have been fought over, I already understand that those aren't watch related. But there's also an open forum where we discuss all other things non watch related, and those topics aren't allowed. It's not just watches we talk about, and I was only making a counter point about not wanting to dictate something when there are already other things dictated.

I'm here for the love of watches and the technical and historical data related to them, Rolex in particular, not investing or whether I should buy this or that because it may be discontinued so it can be worth a xyz.

[oldman2005]

Even I don't invest in watches, I say leave it the way it is.

Timezone used to be popular forum back then but there was much restrictions such as pricing discussions,.., now barely anybody is over there, remind me of living in prior communist countries with lots of censorships and restrictions. No thank you!

Kind of surprised to this post come from a guy with a few hundred posts, check out timezone maybe you like better.

[zengineer]

It's easy enough to scroll past them. Banning a topic like watches as an investment just because it's a little foolish is not the same as banning replica watch topics, firearms pictures or nudity. And frankly, some watches are a viable investment.

Investment discussion is more like the "can I shower with my DSSD?" or "my green Submariner the best-est ever watch ever and I need affirmation" threads. Tedious yes...harmful, no.

[stmoore]

Maybe consider a "watch investments / what's this worth" section?

[Uhtred59]

Freedom of speech has rarely been pretty, but it is required to get all points of view. Of course that same freedom allows most of us to find the topic a bore and mention it.

[Malibuboy]

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...and that’s my final answer!

[dnpina]

Ban everything!! But if I can be serious for a second I'd really only want a ban on the pics of watches with your beaded man-bracelets. Those put the "tool" in tool-watch and also the words "bluesy" & "Batman". I'm back to the beginning , go ahead and ban everything. And one more time : watches are not investments.

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[BobDyl]

Originally Posted by dnpina

I'd really only want a ban on the pics of watches with your beaded man-bracelets

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by dnpina

Ban everything!! But if I can be serious for a second I'd really only want a ban on the pics of watches with your beaded man-bracelets. Those put the "tool" in tool-watch and also the words "bluesy" & "Batman". I'm back to the beginning , go ahead and ban everything. And one more time : watches are not investments.

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Burn of the year. Somebody get this man a pledge membership

[05carbondrz]

Censorship is bad,There are already too many “banned topics” on this Forum....If You don’t like it,Don’t click on it!

[mj1214]

Originally Posted by 05carbondrz

Censorship is bad,There are already too many “banned topics” on this Forum....If You don’t like it,Don’t click on it!

Agreed. Censorship is bad in any form. Everyday we wake up to the same things - it's hard to get a ss sports model rolex, these are not investments, and water is wet and the sun is bright. I still click on the threads anyways because I like having an outlet to read what other people like me with disposable income do as it pertains to this hobby. I also work in finance, so I can talk about $ all day, but I'm not posting about depreciating assets holding value.

[Boaters]

Don't ban it partake or don't very simple your choice.

[jb335]

Only topics NOT about watches (i.e. politics, religion) should be banned here. If it's a watch related topic, it should be fair game.

If you truly hate the topic, don't open the thread!

I'll never relate to people so quick to censor topics or art they don't like. Just don't take part in them. Why do some people need to control what other people like to talk about?

[Nikrnic]

I agree sometimes it sounds like it's all about the money but I think much of it is brought on more by everyone's frustrations of availability and the grey market pricing.

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[Chiboy]

A) A sub-forum discussing pricing and future expected values would be nice as it would declutter the main forum. As a frequent reader, these topics do, as OP suggested, get old. And they tend to permeate every discussion. But having a separate sub-forum for "value" topics (what discount is appropriate?; what is it worth?; will it likely go up in value?', etc.) might be a step in the right direction.

B) I have learned a lot here in 1 1/2 years, and it has fed my knowledge of and interest in watches. But one of the worst aspects of reading TRF is the constant focus on value retention. I wear my expensive watch every day, and I take care of it. But I don't want to think, "Gee, I just nicked the case. Probably cost me $3,000 in value." I never ever thought about my DJ that way in the first 30 years of wearing it.

Overall, I enjoy this place, but there are only so many topics to discuss and some of them get beat to death on a regular basis.

[wfreed22]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

A) A sub-forum discussing pricing and future expected values would be nice as it would declutter the main forum. As a frequent reader, these topics do, as OP suggested, get old. And they tend to permeate every discussion. But having a separate sub-forum for "value" topics (what discount is appropriate?; what is it worth?; will it likely go up in value?', etc.) might be a step in the right direction.

B) I have learned a lot here in 1 1/2 years, and it has fed my knowledge of and interest in watches. But one of the worst aspects of reading TRF is the constant focus on value retention. I wear my expensive watch every day, and I take care of it. But I don't want to think, "Gee, I just nicked the case. Probably cost me $3,000 in value." I never ever thought about my DJ that way in the first 30 years of wearing it.

Overall, I enjoy this place, but there are only so many topics to discuss and some of them get beat to death on a regular basis.

Agreed there should be a sub forum for such topics. There's plenty of people who are starting new threads asking for advice on which watch they should buy for the sole purpose of which will retain or increase in value in x amount of years. Not only would a sub forum help put people looking for this info in the same space but it would also then help to reduce the number of repeat threads discussing the same topic (at least in theory). Just my 2 cents

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[BobDyl]

Would now be a good time to ask the posters who are *not* pledge members to donate? I bet it costs a lot to maintain this awesome forum where we all air our opinions on "free" speech and the like. Just sayin. Contribute here:
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=576908

[jrs146]

Man, those poll options are heavily bias... Just because you vote no doesn't mean you love talking about money all the time. I can't choose either of these

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by jrs146

Man, those poll options are heavily bias... Just because you vote no doesn't mean you love talking about money all the time. I can't choose either of these

The options are indeed a bit right sided either way. Neither answer is really reasonable if that's the right word.