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Old 29 January 2009, 12:02 AM   #61
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Tony, great pic.
Used one just like it as a screen saver awhile back. Really a work of art. Too bad they have grown so expensive.
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Old 29 January 2009, 06:22 AM   #62
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and what about the new GP ww.tc Shadow
and with a flyback function!
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Old 29 January 2009, 08:03 AM   #63
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My AD doesnt have the lange, its such a beautiful watch, and yes expensive, but still in my range
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Old 29 January 2009, 09:16 AM   #64
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My AD doesnt have the lange, its such a beautiful watch, and yes expensive, but still in my range
It would be a great watch to own.
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Old 29 January 2009, 04:57 PM   #65
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My AD doesnt have the lange, its such a beautiful watch, and yes expensive, but still in my range
If you can find an L&S AD that is nearby, it is certainly worth going to try one on.
Good luck with your research.

Matt, I would think that it would make for a very hypnotic screensaver!!!
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Old 30 January 2009, 12:42 AM   #66
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My AD doesnt have the lange, its such a beautiful watch, and yes expensive, but still in my range
The 1815 Chronograph is also a beautiful watch. While the Datograph has more of a following, I really found the 1815 to wear even nicer on my wrist.
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Old 30 January 2009, 12:43 AM   #67
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Matt, I would think that it would make for a very hypnotic screensaver!!!
Yes, it makes the Lange One Moonphase movement look pretty simple.
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Old 30 January 2009, 02:41 AM   #68
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My RGM is nothing next to a Lange but, costs less:







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Old 30 January 2009, 06:31 AM   #69
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What movement does the rgm watch have?
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Old 30 January 2009, 04:27 PM   #70
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About the RGM; it has the Valjoux 7751 movement. It is a nice watch.

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Old 31 January 2009, 03:05 AM   #71
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wat about the Breitling chronomat evolution
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Best in-house movement chrono?

Why, a Breguet Transatlantique Type XXI, of course. Beautiful dial, bit under 42mm, flyback function, day/night subdial, wears AWESOME on strap or bracelet, keeps better time than my gym quartz watch and when you wind it... oh, when you wind it you can TELL the quality of the movement. Another neat thing about it is the minute chrono hand is not on the sub-dial, but also in the center, right behind the chrono second hand. Finally, the XXI's hold excellent value, if you ever choose to sell it.
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Old 1 February 2009, 04:49 AM   #73
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Why, a Breguet Transatlantique Type XXI, of course. Beautiful dial, bit under 42mm, flyback function, day/night subdial, wears AWESOME on strap or bracelet, keeps better time than my gym quartz watch and when you wind it... oh, when you wind it you can TELL the quality of the movement. Another neat thing about it is the minute chrono hand is not on the sub-dial, but also in the center, right behind the chrono second hand. Finally, the XXI's hold excellent value, if you ever choose to sell it.
Damn...that is an awesome watch! It appears the numerals are lumed, correct? Also, can you tell me is it a uni or bi-directional bezel? I must admit, I think I'm looking at my next chrono...it seems to have everything I want in a chrono! Thanks alot...my future bank account is not happy. Would love to see some shots on a leather strap.
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Old 1 February 2009, 05:04 AM   #74
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Damn...that is an awesome watch! It appears the numerals are lumed, correct? Also, can you tell me is it a uni or bi-directional bezel? I must admit, I think I'm looking at my next chrono...it seems to have everything I want in a chrono! Thanks alot...my future bank account is not happy. Would love to see some shots on a leather strap.
It is an absolute beauty, not too big, not too small... I have owned quite a few chrono's - a ROO (way too bulky) a Hublot Big Bang (not original at all), a Daytona (way too small and flimsy) and this is the one that stuck around. Here are couple pics of it on the strap and with the lights off. And price isn't awful, I paid around $5500 for my strap version - it was used, but in excellent condition. And the XXI is a HUGE improvement from the XX aestheticlly speaking, but if it is the movement you desire, the XX's can be bought in the upper $3k's!
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Old 1 February 2009, 01:38 PM   #75
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Terry & Mosco
Those are two very nice looking watches.
Thank you for posting photos of them.
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Old 5 February 2009, 09:13 AM   #76
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If what you want is a Chrono with an In house movment you have several choices depending on your budget:

On the high Range:
Lange Datograph, which was already discussed here, and it is considered by many as one of the finest Chronos out there specially when it comes to the finish of the movement.
PP Nautilus Chrono, it comes in SS, it should be in the same price range as the Datograh but I can ashure you this watch should be a great investement since it carries the first Chono movement made by Patek the 28-520.
JLC Duometre a Chronograph, won several technical prices for their dual wing caliber basically 2 movements powered by same escapment.

On the High - Mid Range:
AP Offshore, it now has an In house movement previously it used to be a modified JLC I think.
JLC Extreme, Combines Chrono and World time functions, all JLC have in House Movements, actually several high end watches used to have a JLC movement.
IWC New Davinci Chrono, also new Pellation in house movement.
Zenith, They Use the infamous El Primero Caliber which used to be inside Daytonas before Rolex came up with the GReat 4130 movement!
Panerai 275 Chronomonopulsante, 8 day power reserve, GMT and Chrono Functions In house Movement.
TAG 360, first automatic Chrono watch to measure 1/100 of a second.

As far as other Brands:
Vacheron Overseas uses a Frederic Piguet 1185/6 movement which is one of the best Chrono movements out there, so nothing wrong on it not having an in house movement.
Breguet XXI uses a Breguet 582 which has a Lemania Base I think.
Breitling, Bell and Ross, Panerai (non manufacture), TAG and many other medium ranged watches use Eta Valjoux Base, which does not mean they are bad, the valjoux is a tried and true workhorse.

Good luck with your decision.
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Old 5 February 2009, 12:29 PM   #77
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what I dont like about an expensive watch without an in-house movement is that I am going to pay thousands of dollars for a case and a strap, becasue the movement in it can be found in an 800 dollar watch, eta based movements dont have anything wrong IMHO, they are in fact very good, but heyan 800 dollar watch and an 8000 dollar watch with the same movemtn kinda feels like a bentley with a GM engine.
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Old 5 February 2009, 12:30 PM   #78
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By the way, bought the breguet, I will be giving it to my father, and when time comes I decided I want a lange 1815 chrono
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Old 5 February 2009, 01:47 PM   #79
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By the way, bought the breguet, I will be giving it to my father, and when time comes I decided I want a lange 1815 chrono
Congratulations on your two choice's.
They are two superb watches and again the movement in the 1815 is stunning.
I nearly bought one in W/G. But decided against, only because the sub dials were a little to small for me to read.
But a friend of mind, who also likes his watches, has just bought one in R/G.
I hope to see it, in a couple of weeks time.
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i know you said no eta movements but for one of the best chronograph sport watch in the world is the breitling chronomat!!!! beautiful,highly polished,great size, and cosc certified and really reliable forget the others get the ling!!!! heres a pic of mine
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Love the breitling and what they stand for, and the fact that they are not charging thousand's for they'r outsourced movement watches, but I find the dial's to busy for my taste, and I am not crazy about the bezel's either, but your chronomat has a beautiful blue tone and the dial doesnt seem so busy, still don't like the bezel.
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800 dollar watch and an 8000 dollar watch with the same movemtn kinda feels like a bentley with a GM engine.
While I understand the analogy to a certain point...I sure as heck wouldn't mind this GM engine in any of my rides - new ZR1's LS9 620 HP beauty...what's not to like?!?! As with most things in life...when you're talking about cars & watches, 90% of the time you're paying for the name & history, not necessarily a 90% better product.



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Old 6 February 2009, 10:52 AM   #83
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I know what you mean, and I know you know what I meant.
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Old 7 February 2009, 12:21 PM   #84
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I'd liken the watch movement thing to the motorcycle engine thing more. Rotax, a company that makes motorcycle engines, makes them for BMW, Aprillia, Buell, and even some scooters. Basically, for bikes of all shapes, makes, price levels. It's not just the engine that makes the bike great but the whole thing put together, and for that, it's all up to the bike manufacturer itself. How it mixes the components together to make a well built whole.

That said, Rotax will make an engine that suits the bike company's needs for a particular model. And this is pretty much the same for watch movement manufacturers. ETA, the largest, makes one-off movements for a bunch of premier companies. And oftentimes, you'll see companies just getting the base caliber and making improvements on that. This cuts down the cost by a considerable amount, not because they're inferior but because of sheer economies of scale. And let's face it, ETA (and a lot of other manufacturers out there) can be as reliable and accurate as something from Audemars Piguet or Patek.
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