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12 February 2019, 10:00 PM | #61 |
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A complete miss for me. The partnership with BMW is a half step and Toyota does not need to do that. They have proven that they can create great performance cars. I was hopeful that they would take the Lexus LC500 and make a Toyota version. This would be like the Lexus LX570 and the Toyota Land Cruiser. The LC500 is a serious design and performance machine and Toyota could have done much better than the new Supra. A picture of my LC500.
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I'll take a vette instead. Should have been 400 bhp.
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The typical Chevy Impala or Ford Fusion rental car here makes over 300 horses I think if Toyota could have raised the hp and torque to a little over 400, made it a bit lighter, and offered it in manual which is cheaper and would have gotten the starting cost down a couple grand then it would have been a winner. |
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That's because the 2JZ-GTE was 'over-built' from the factory, which allowed for a lot of tuning without changing the internals. I seriously doubt the new engine is 'over-built'.
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Beautiful LC500!!
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3 litre turbo charged giving 335 bhp returning 0-60 in 4.3 secs is a powerful car in any country, 400 bhp plus is for freak cars. it will handle like its on rails, its a great car. |
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That’s what I was thinking. Even a 370z or a base mustang is over 300 ponies with option for manual. I guess the mark IV was just too good of a car and got my expectations up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The sheer weight of some of these cars makes them good candidates for lots of power. The Challeger and Camaro weigh nearly 4,400 and 4,000lbs respectively. I bet that a few of the guys here were pushing closer to 1,000 whp on their Supras. This is the wrong thread to argue that a 500hp car is overpowered. |
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i thought we were talking about 2 seater sports cars, i thought a camaro was a saloon car. |
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Camaro ZL1 weighs less too. Dodge Challenger Hellcat weighs in at about the same as the LC500. Ford GT350R weighs less as well. Or am I misreading the specs on the LC500? A friend had a 350 in an old Austin Healey 3000. It would eat almost any car on the road. Power to weight is what tell the story. |
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The car in question today is the Supra. Not motivating me to buy one and it would appear I’m not alone. |
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but there is much about cars today that makes me not want to buy, the designs, the over use of computers, the over abundance of gadgets, the being told i have to have turbo instead of NA, the ridiculous quest for unecessary power that cannot be used,
its why people love old cars, the simplicity. I wonder if there is a market to build a basic sports car with just an emphasis on looks, speed and handling, no computers, no toys, a radio and heater and manual window winders, and thats all..... i wonder. |
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Plus for a fun "nice weather" or weekend car you don't need heated steering wheels/seats and the other extras anyway. I'm sure there is a market, I just don't know how many others feel the same way. The difficult part would be to find the right balance of things that people want vs don't want to pay for. I mean there is the Polaris Slingshot but some people might want a roof. |
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i once had an sc, it was perfect in the basic department, the only thing that let it down was its power windows and power wing mirrors, it had no power steering but was easy to drive.
I know that nowadays you would be unable to avoid air-bags and abs etc, but a truly basic sports car that is designed for the owner to fix and repair, to be devoid of all hardware would be like a breath of fresh air to me. If i get out of my car and the lights are still on i dont want an alarm to tell me this etc etc etc. |
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you mean bmw supra
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One locally is going for $56K. Neat cars!!!
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