SD43 Mark I dial officially discontinued!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I didn't know that dial variations of modern watches affected value...

Well today's Rolex owners go crazy on the slightest font difference,sticky-back plastic or even a screw change.

[vivicorsi]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

You say 50 years before the Mk1 will become anything like more valuable than a MkII.

Yet you compare it to a flat 4 LV.

The flat 4 LV was produced in 2003/4 - that's only 15 years or so ago.

What's to say that in 15 years the Mk1 Sea Dwellers aren't fetching ridiculous premiums ?

I meant :the next chance to get an anniversary model of the Sd will be in 50 years ;)
The Sd 100!

[Infinity]

Does anyone think a 2017 date on the warranty card will make any difference to the desirability of an anniversary SD43.

[yannis]

Originally Posted by Infinity

Does anyone think a 2017 date on the warranty card will make any difference to the desirability of an anniversary SD43.

No I think it is characteristics of the dial, bezel fonts (in the case of 16610LV) that did affect value in the past. Also movements such as the Zenith Daytona and the 3186 movement on the late 16710 series.

[Camel]

Originally Posted by travisb

refreshing response.

x1

[vivicorsi]

i predict prices of at least 15000 euros for the Mk I in 5 years time. Mark my words ;)

[Mystro]

Dial on this watch means nothing. There just isn’t any significant change on a modern Rolex to warrant even noting a difference. For example, when trading it in to a noted trusted seller, the newest watch stamped on the warranty card will always be worth more. The dial won’t even be a factor.

[vivicorsi]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Dial on this watch means nothing. There just isn’t any significant change on a modern Rolex to warrant even noting a difference. For example, when trading it in to a noted trusted seller, the newest watch stamped on the warranty card will always be worth more. The dial won’t even be a factor.

well Rolex history shows the exact opposite.
sublte changes mean everything to the collector...sticky dial, flat 4,etc etc...
rolex doesn't bring out a lot of anniversary models.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by vivicorsi

well Rolex history shows the exact opposite.
sublte changes mean everything to the collector...sticky dial, flat 4,etc etc...
rolex doesn't bring out a lot of anniversary models.

Not on this watch. There are too many out there and only this forum has even noticed. We brought the slight change up as nothing more than a fun fact. I could have cared less if mine was either dial as the newer watch printed on the warranty card demanded more money buying or trading in.
I played a similar game with dial patina and it meant nothing in 20 years with a Submariner.

[vivicorsi]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Not on this watch. There are too many out there and only this forum has even noticed. We brought the slight change up as nothing more than a fun fact. I could have cared less if mine was either dial as the newer watch printed on the warranty card demanded more money buying or trading in.
I played a similar game with dial patina and it meant nothing in 20 years with a Submariner.

rlx Forum has also noticed and every rolex blogger or watch sites on the net.

my ad got 2-3 a year, so in rolex standards there won't be that many. similar to the flat 4,which celebrated the 50th birthday of the sub.


well anyway time will tell who is right.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

If someone thinks their mki SD43 will be the next Paul Newman, they’re delusional. However it sounds like you don’t think there will be any demand for the mk1 and there I disagree with you.

What it will be worth? I have no idea, but it’s possible it could have a similar value path of a flat 4 LV.

I have no doubt there will be demand for MK1 dials.

What we don't know is how many dial iterations will there be over the life of the 126600. MK1 could easily end up not being the shortest production run. Maybe the as yet unmade 'Mk5 dial' could be rarest of them all. Only time will tell.

[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

you will have to wait 50years + to find out

If you’re not 6 ft under by then I certainly hope that one’s life at that age will have more important priorities than “hey I have a mk1 dial !”

Just buy for pure enjoyment and wear the hell of out it!!!



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⬆️⬆️⬆️ Agree! Will be many years before these “MK1” dials are truly valuable, if ever. Just enjoy

[vivicorsi]

Yes enjoy the watch, it is the better Sub! Love it.
In the moment it is the perfect watch in the Rolex set up, considering proportions. Such an harmonious watch.

I don’t care about selling the watch, but I advised my friends to pay a little premium to get the Mk 1 while it is still that cheap. There might be other dials ( mk3,4,5 etc) but the Mk I will remain the anniversary Dial! And I can only repeat it... there are not many anniversary models made by Rolex.

[marc2828]

Originally Posted by vivicorsi

Yes enjoy the watch, it is the better Sub! Love it.
In the moment it is the perfect watch in the Rolex set up, considering proportions. Such an harmonious watch.

I don’t care about selling the watch, but I advised my friends to pay a little premium to get the Mk 1 while it is still that cheap. There might be other dials ( mk3,4,5 etc) but the Mk I will remain the anniversary Dial! And I can only repeat it... there are not many anniversary models made by Rolex.

agree 100%. If you are gonna buy the SD43, why get get a slightly used MK1? Especially if there are future Mk3s and onward... Only issue is the thread about the new 3235 movement lubrication problem in the first runs of the movement. But I guess we have 5 years under warranty if a problem.

[116710er]

Welp, I'm glad I picked up mine in up in 2017 with a 2017 marked warranty card. :)

[Maverick_1908]

People think this is gonna be like the Flat 4.


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[jonnyz1245]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Dial on this watch means nothing. There just isn’t any significant change on a modern Rolex to warrant even noting a difference. For example, when trading it in to a noted trusted seller, the newest watch stamped on the warranty card will always be worth more. The dial won’t even be a factor.

Give it 5-10 years. Collectors notice and dealers price accordingly and buyers pay a premium.

Today it doesn't matter as it is a newer reference but that will change. People match onto what they latch onto. I can already see the story line in 10 years. No crown at 6 and a I instead of a 1. Short run, thousands instead of tens or hundreds of thousands. It will matter to some. It always does.

[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by jonnyz1245

Give it 5-10 years. Collectors notice and dealers price accordingly and buyers pay a premium.

Today it doesn't matter as it is a newer reference but that will change. People match onto what they latch onto. I can already see the story line in 10 years. No crown at 6 and a I instead of a 1. Short run, thousands instead of tens or hundreds of thousands. It will matter to some. It always does.

My thoughts as well. I have no skin in the game, but just observationally, I don't see why a dial variant associated with the 50th anniversary of this diver being highly sought down the road is any more laughable than a flat four on a green aluminum bezel being the hot ticket must have seemed in the early years of the LV.

Here's a TRF conversation from ten years ago about the LV that sounds a lot like the one we're having now. The main difference is it took people about six or seven years to catch on that the flat four was the ticket. We are now so attuned to these things, we're on it the moment it happens.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=138831

[PanosI]

Not my pics. Found them in the internet but i am sure that first posted here on TRF but i can't locate the post.
Just for reference.

[vivicorsi]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

My thoughts as well. I have no skin in the game, but just observationally, I don't see why a dial variant associated with the 50th anniversary of this diver being highly sought down the road is any more laughable than a flat four on a green aluminum bezel being the hot ticket must have seemed in the early years of the LV.

Here's a TRF conversation from ten years ago about the LV that sounds a lot like the one we're having now. The main difference is it took people about six or seven years to catch on that the flat four was the ticket. We are now so attuned to these things, we're on it the moment it happens.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=138831

Couldn’t agree more!
Besides it is already a historic Sd!
The first Sd with a cyclops and the 50 year birthday model. It is one of the most loved model in the moment. Truely a masterpiece .

[TakeYourTime]

Just think... if you are a watch collector and you have several SD43 to chose from (after the current model has been dis-continued at any given day... 5 years, 10 years who knows) which one do you want the most?

If all have box and papers and got served, everyone real collector would buy the MK 1 version IF the price would be the same vs. the MK 2 (maybe even a MK 3 version).

The question is how much MORE would serious collectors pay for a MK1 50th anniversary model, which run a year with that dial? Time will tell.

It's not interesting for me as I would never sale mine. I buy watches for pure enjoyment, not as investm.... I don't even want to write that word

[Roli4life]

Originally Posted by jonnyz1245

For clarity is he saying that "matching sticks that matched the one at bottom 6" mean the number one on mark one dials "1220" is expressed like a match stick or I? and that on mark 2 dials its a 1? I assume that is the meaning intended.

Mark one = I
Mark two = 1

Yes

[Roli4life]

Originally Posted by vivicorsi

well Rolex history shows the exact opposite.

sublte changes mean everything to the collector...sticky dial, flat 4,etc etc...

rolex doesn't bring out a lot of anniversary models.

I have to agree with you. I am currently trying to buy a vintage Rolex in my birth year, and unfortunately for me it was in a year where there is some minute change to the dial.

Unfortunately for me this makes the watch made out of $unobtainium$ if it has this dial that was mostly produced during that year.

[Roli4life]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

My thoughts as well. I have no skin in the game, but just observationally, I don't see why a dial variant associated with the 50th anniversary of this diver being highly sought down the road is any more laughable than a flat four on a green aluminum bezel being the hot ticket must have seemed in the early years of the LV.



Here's a TRF conversation from ten years ago about the LV that sounds a lot like the one we're having now. The main difference is it took people about six or seven years to catch on that the flat four was the ticket. We are now so attuned to these things, we're on it the moment it happens.



https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=138831

I looked up that LV post and this one made me laugh out loud!
Thanks

[vivicorsi]

Haha yes , same here ;)
There are still some mk 1 selling for 11500-12000 euros. If I would buy one right now I wouldn’t mind the small premium. With the next price raise it will be already equal.

[vivicorsi]

Unbelievable ... you could have the anniversary model ,flat 4 for under 4000 10 years ago,
And now a used flat 4 from the anniversary year costs over 20000.
Never listen to the Nay sayers ;)

[Colin G]

Originally Posted by Dsl55

Real rolex fans wont care because they buy and wear what they love, not what its going to be worth.

Yup.

[crazycarlitos]

Who knows if mk1 will be more valuable in the future....

But if I had a choice between BNIB mk1 and BNIB mk2 at the same price, I would choose the mk1 every time.

[RobearH]

I regard accurate time keeping over trivial nuance. My MK1 dial SD43 kept shit time regarding accuracy (over -10 seconds a day) so I moved it along.

Now I have a MKII and it keeps cracking time right out of the box with less then 1 second deviation a day so far!

[vivicorsi]

Originally Posted by RobearH

I regard accurate time keeping over trivial nuance. My MK1 dial SD43 kept shit time regarding accuracy (over -10 seconds a day) so I moved it along.

Now I have a MKII and it keeps cracking time right out of the box with less then 1 second deviation a day so far!

That doesn’t make sense as it is the same movement. Why didn’t you just bring it in for guarante repair?