I have been scammed please HELP

[PandaSPUR]

Wait you still didn't say whether or not you tried to contact him. Has he just been silent for multiple days now?

[Harry-57]

From what you have said, your bank looks like your only option. If they won't help you, keep asking, go higher, make noise. It's not their negligence or their responsibility but they might be persuaded to help you in some way and they must have some form of fraud investigation facility.

What about the receiving bank? Has anyone told them it was a suspected fraudulent transaction?

[The OG Beef]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

From what you have said, your bank looks like your only option. If they won't help you, keep asking, go higher, make noise. It's not their negligence or their responsibility but they might be persuaded to help you in some way and they must have some form of fraud investigation facility.

What about the receiving bank? Has anyone told them it was a suspected fraudulent transaction?

The bank will be of no help. Wired and it’s gone. Technically there is no fraudulent transaction. The buyer voluntarily sent funds from his account to another. Sorry to say, but there is no recourse.


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[Alfa2109]

Originally Posted by The OG Beef

The bank will be of no help. Wired and it’s gone. Technically there is no fraudulent transaction. The buyer voluntarily sent funds from his account to another. Sorry to say, but there is no recourse.


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Not exactly. Simply that someone “voluntarily” sends money to someone doesn’t mean there’s no fraud. I’d that were true, most fraud would be legal. The fraud comes in the inducement of the person making payment. And the listing clearly was designed to induce someone like OP to make payment.

But I agree, OP, that it’s premature to conclude you’ve been scammed for sure. Getting banned doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a scumbag, never mind a crook. I’d do as others have suggested: write, call or otherwise try to contact the seller in any way you can to find out if s/he’s going to fulfill the order. If you get blown off or stonewalled or if s/he blows smoke up your dress and you don’t get the watch, the FBI has a cybercrime division, which has an “Internet Crime Complaint Center” (or “IC3”), that your national law authorities can call on for assistance. https://www.ic3.gov/. I was scammed once in a watch purchase, and they got every dollar back for me.


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[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Alfa2109

Not exactly. Simply that someone “voluntarily” sends money to someone doesn’t mean there’s no fraud. I’d that were true, most fraud would be legal. The fraud comes in the inducement of the person making payment. And the listing clearly was designed to induce someone like OP to make payment.

But I agree, OP, that it’s premature to conclude you’ve been scammed for sure. Getting banned doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a scumbag, never mind a crook. I’d do as others have suggested: write, call or otherwise try to contact the seller in any way you can to find out if s/he’s going to fulfill the order. If you get blown off or stonewalled or if s/he blows smoke up your dress and you don’t get the watch, the FBI has a cybercrime division, which has an “Internet Crime Complaint Center” (or “IC3”), that your national law authorities can call on for assistance. https://www.ic3.gov/. I was scammed once in a watch purchase, and they got every dollar back for me.


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Thank You. If what some of these posters were saying is correct, the only time fraud could be committed would be if someone made the wire transfer at gunpoint. Which is clearly not the case.

[WatchTimes]

Have you tried to contact him?
He has listed several watches over the past couple months.
How long ago did you wire and when did you last hear from him?
Id also reach out to a mod and see if they will tell you why he was banned.
If this was the reason he was banned then Id be worried but so far it seems a little early to be in total melt down mode

Originally Posted by rolexRV

Hi,

wired 14K to the seller JeromeL for a Batman. Now I see he has been banned. I am in Spain and he is in the US. I have his email address, but what can I do??

so frustrated...

thanks

[rolexRV]

Dear mods,

May I know why has he been banned?

[NachoNeal]

Originally Posted by rolexRV

Dear mods,

May I know why has he been banned?

I hope you tried harder to make contact with your bankers than the TRF moderators.

[S7gpt]

OP - when did you actually send the payment and how do you know its not been posted ?

[Xky]

Hopefully people reading this will be more careful who they buy watches from on TRF.

Seasoned users who know who’s who and know who to trust are knowledgeable.

It just seems way too easy for a scammer to list a watch on The Rolex Forum to scam unsuspecting inexperienced people looking for a good deal.


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by Xky

Hopefully people reading this will be more careful who they buy watches from on TRF.

Seasoned users who know who’s who and know who to trust are knowledgeable.

It just seems way too easy for a scammer to list a watch on The Rolex Forum to scam unsuspecting inexperienced people looking for a good deal.


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Sorry to the original poster hope you get money back or watch,but anyone with any common sense should do this before buying anything online.

[youneswatches]

Sorry to hear about this

[Colorado_kid]

He was selling these other watches as well?


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[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Colorado_kid

He was selling these other watches as well?


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13K for a Moser PC Endeavor is crazy low and a huge red flag. MSRP is about 75K now.

[jlovda]

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I almost got fooled bigtime once but FedEx was able to stop the shipment before delivery.

Good luck.

[KY..]

Originally Posted by jlovda

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I almost got fooled bigtime once but FedEx was able to stop the shipment before delivery.

Good luck.

Same thing happened with me as the seller sent an empty box from Canada to US and FedEx/customs saved my bacon by calling me to find out what was supposed to be in the box.

[Xky]

Will the TRF moderators say anything about this? Do they have too? Would be nice to hear what they have to say about this and the others that have been scammed on here.


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by Xky

Will the TRF moderators say anything about this? Do they have too? Would be nice to hear what they have to say about this and the others that have been scammed on here.


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Well its clearly stated in all for sale forums.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=912330

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=9423

[rolexRV]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well its clearly stated in all for sale forums.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=912330

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=9423

Hi just wanted to know if possible it there is any record of other scams and if this was the reason of being banned, thanks

[Greguet]

As posted in another forum on TRF, I was dealing with JeromeL on another watch. Got close enough to get his bank details and home address. At least that of who he wanted the transfer to go to. Wasn't his name.

There were a couple of red flags in his reply with bank information.

I asked for a phone call along with the wire transfer info. He responded late day on NY eve that he was at work and couldn't. Didn't offer an alternative time. I also provided several references in that message. He provided none. That's when I came back to TRF to see what the Feedback system was like. At which point I saw the banned tag under his user name. So, I contacted a moderator here and Tim responded.

That account has been compromised/hacked. When a seller is banned that’s generally the reason.
Do NOT purchase from this person, it’s not the person who originally opened the account here.
Tim

Despite the banned tag, all his for sale posts were still live including a link to a gmail account. They were live for a day, after getting the response from a moderator about the reason for the ban.

The seller had several for sale posts over a few months and the account was about a year old. Couldn't find the user name or email anywhere else on Google or other watch forums. Couldn't find any mention of the name he sent for the transfer on Google or other social.

The home address was for a 900 Sq/Ft bungalo in Cloverdale CA. Zillow and Redfin estimated the value at around U$.5M. Not the type of place a colletor a handful of $10k watches lives. Couldn't establish what his watch interest was because he refused to take a phone call.

I use Watchrecon to look for watches. Got an account here mainly because you have to login to see the pictures. I've been on Timezone and other watch forums since the late 90s under the same user name as here. No sign of this seller's name anywhere else.

Checked in again last night to see if the for sale posts were still up. They weren't but found this post from the OP.

Greg

[S2000_driver]

I hope you get your watch or your money back.

There are some really awful people out there ruining it for everyone else...

[chiscott_29]

I’m very sorry to hear about this. By chance did this guy say he was in California?

The screen name rings a bell for me. About a year ago I contacted somebody from the Rolex classifieds section about a blue SkyDweller. Everything seemed in order, but then I said I would only do this via a middleman because this was not somebody that I had ever heard of or dealt with on the forum. It was at that point that he flaked and I never heard anything further from him.

I am not certain this is the same person, but you simply can’t trust anyone unfortunately. If I don’t know you, or a reputable person/dealer is not vouching on your behalf, there is no way I would wire a dime to anyone. Please use a middleman or just look elsewhere.


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[BDII]

Unfortunately this happened to me as well on here. Seller had many references that even lined up with their place of employment (I checked the websites associated with work emails)

These cats are doing the detail work. My policy is not never bankwire unless I know them. Learned the hard way as well.

Sorry this happened to you.

[Patekfinder]

Originally Posted by BDII

Unfortunately this happened to me as well on here. Seller had many references that even lined up with their place of employment (I checked the websites associated with work emails)

These cats are doing the detail work. My policy is not never bankwire unless I know them. Learned the hard way as well.

Sorry this happened to you.

The only safe way I will buy from a private seller is Chrono24 or PayPal and I have no problem adding 3% to cover the fees for the peace of mind and protection.


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[Bmats]

Originally Posted by BDII

Unfortunately this happened to me as well on here. Seller had many references that even lined up with their place of employment (I checked the websites associated with work emails)

These cats are doing the detail work. My policy is not never bankwire unless I know them. Learned the hard way as well.

Sorry this happened to you.

So wait, they spoofed the website for emails? Or did someone still the user?

[Notimetodie]

Other than being banned, which could be for many things, why do we assume the guy is a fraud? Apologies if I missed this scrolling through the 3 pages of alleged international wire fraud.

[MrLemon]

I almost get scammed here in the Forum 2 times.
so I told myself ,never buy from the sellers in here.
They have very strong "background", talks like gentlemen ....

[Travis29]

There’s a lot of TRF accounts that have been hacked acting as someone else.

I’ve personally reached out to multiple batgirl sellers and they were all bogus. Would not provide their id, refused to use escrow, or FaceTime with watch in hand. Gave fake references or IDs. Shit is the wild west in the classifieds section here.

Scammers;
Mike I
Tenementhall

[Lawman77]

Originally Posted by Travis29

There’s a lot of TRF accounts that have been hacked acting as someone else.

I’ve personally reached out to multiple batgirl sellers and they were all bogus. Would not provide their id, refused to use escrow, or FaceTime with watch in hand. Gave fake references or IDs. Shit is the wild west in the classifieds section here.

Scammers;
Mike I
Tenementhall

I completed a successful transaction with Tenementhall in June 2023 and even posted pics of the watch. I wonder if his acct was hacked….

[Solo118]

Originally Posted by Lawman77

I completed a successful transaction with Tenementhall in June 2023 and even posted pics of the watch. I wonder if his acct was hacked….

Very possible, as the username OP mentioned honestly rings a bell as a normal poster

Myself I have been hacked, but no funky business happened as I caught it pretty quickly (this was 4-5 years ago)