32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Combine man

All very interesting to read,impressed so many watch owners understand how they work to the degree they do.
My SD 43 was new Oct 20 and was within a second a day for the first 3 months,either fast or slow now is consistently 7 seconds a week fast,so will watch as the months go by,worn 24/7 and wound twice a week.

Great to hear, SD43 (3235) running absolutely perfect, now with +1 sec/day. Thanks for the good news

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Driver8

I guess we should just stick to nice safe “incoming”, “investment” and “discontinued” threads instead of anything that might be vaguely informative.

I like the discontinued watches,that has gone up in value AND runs very accurately ...

Sorry to bring the superlative,most magnificent ,test of time,very accurate 3135 up AGAIN .116610LN for four months on the wrist ,it is now +1s/ 4MONTHS ! How ? easy ...crown up overnight to slow it down a bit ,dial up over night to gain a bit .
Gentlemen,That's what you want from your Rolex !

Disclaimer : I own several 3235s .

[CharlesN]

Finally I have Come to the end of this measuring period.

My wrist might even get my watch back on it !

My watch power finally ran out at 12:04:56 this afternoon.




I was not present at the very end .... I was walking my dog in the fields.

Rest assured, My watch will recover from this period of sleep as soon as I fully wind it, set the correct time and strap it onto my wrist. Phew. I have missed wearing it although I have been wearing it’s older model (116610)



Anyway my full results can be seen here ...........







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[CharlesN]

This is the cover of the instruction manual for the timer I used .....






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[CharlesN]

I have spent a little time looking at my resultsts.

The first page of my spreadsheet looks as I would expect.

The second page is far more interesting.

I expected the Amplitude to decrease as power ran out but toward the end it increased quite noticeably.

Saxo3 has also nioticed my results and commented on them.

Now I am scratching my head (I hope I dont get any splinters).

Why woukd this have happened ? .. i cant make sense of it at all.

Any clues anybody ???

[CharlesN]

I have now started my next timing project .......
Fully wound at the start all in the Dial Up position only

This is what I am seeing at the moment after 3.5 hours - The error rate of 0 is what I like to see.



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[DougFNJ]

@CharlesN
Thank you for posting such detailed information. You probably now know more about your watch than most. Curious the feedback you’ll get with that amplitude boost towards the end.


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[tgoose1]

CharlesN,
Thanks for taking time measuring results, this is a good starting point for a new 32xx movement. Now, wear that Submariner every day, like you stole it, for the next 6months and perform the same test. These results will be more meaningful and help resolve if the Rolex 32xx movement is truly stable or not. Thanks again.

[Liga]

The manual for the Timegrapher has a reading of -54 seconds a day with a amplitude of 206 and a beat error of 2.7ms and shows a steep angle reading across the display that actually looks like the watch is in beat?????

Why would they choose that particular image to put on the owners manual?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Liga

The manual for the Timegrapher has a reading of -54 seconds a day with a amplitude of 206 and a beat error of 2.7ms and shows a steep angle reading across the display that actually looks like the watch is in beat?????

Why would they choose that particular image to put on the owners manual?

Probably as it looks far more dramatic than a single straight line.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by tgoose1

CharlesN,
Thanks for taking time measuring results, this is a good starting point for a new 32xx movement. Now, wear that Submariner every day, like you stole it, for the next 6months and perform the same test. These results will be more meaningful and help resolve if the Rolex 32xx movement is truly stable or not. Thanks again.

No, I am NOT waering it quite yet.

I am now measuringing the power reserve and accracy with the watch constantly in the dial up position.

I will probably perform the same test as i have already done in 3 and 6 months time.
If I forget then please feel free to remind me to get on with it.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have spent a little time looking at my resultsts.

The first page of my spreadsheet looks as I would expect.

The second page is far more interesting.

I expected the Amplitude to decrease as power ran out but toward the end it increased quite noticeably.

Saxo3 has also nioticed my results and commented on them.

Now I am scratching my head (I hope I dont get any splinters).

Why woukd this have happened ? .. i cant make sense of it at all.

Any clues anybody ???

Hi Charles,

Your first ever taken timegrapher data must be viewed with great caution.

The measurements were not done for one single position but for all 6 movement positions.

This becomes especially critical towards the end of the caliber power reserve.

Since the caliber is moved on the timegrapher, position stabilisation becomes very critical especially for amplitudes below 160 degrees.

Looking at your Table 2, I conclude that the last meaningful data point was taken after 62 hours. Until this time the data points fit into the general behaviour of 3235 movements, i.e. the normal amplitude decrease with time.

The next set of measurements was taken only 7 hours later, i.e. by far too late. Your timegrapher indicated the following numbers:

After 69 hours
Horizontal positions: -13 to -45 s/d and 285 to 268 degrees
Vertical positions: -41 to -166 s/d with 203 to 233 degrees

After 72 hours
Horizontal positions: -30 to -123 s/d with 189 to 220 degrees
Vertical positions: -163 to -467 s/d with 126 to 309 degrees

Based on my experience, these data points are unexplainable, unrepeatable, and (sorry) total crap.

Therefore, I suggested that you repeat this measurement in fixed DU position, take much more data points, not only towards the end of the PR.

Good luck! Cheers

[CharlesN]

Thanks for your advice and help saxo3

As you already know i have started the test with Dial Up only starting with a fully would watch. I started at 14:00 hours today so itll be a few days before I have more serious data to post.
I am logging the readings again obviously.
Hold on and all will be revealed.

[mike morris]

I’m fan of 3135 , I has DJ41 2019 , after 7 months start -12-16s , sold it .
Today I got new YM40 on 3235 , I check it in store. It was +1s and 269 amp, with full wind.
Start checking every day, let you know what will be.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by mike morris

Start checking every day, let you know what will be.

Mike,

Please check more than once a day and keep records.
Towards the end please do as many checks as possible.

My readings showed some strange goings on towards the end of its power reserve It wouldld be great to see if your watch presented with similar behaviour.

[thenewrick]

I'm at 6 months with my 3230. Gains 2 seconds a day resting dial up and loses 2 seconds a day crown up. It's been very consistent this way. Easy to keep it accurate over time resting each evening in the position needed to correct. Stinks everyone isn't having such good luck. Maybe mine will also develop problems over time.

[KKholiday77]

Does anyone know what the problem actually is? Has anyone received their watch back after regulation with tech at AD or even back from RSC with a description of the correction? Wondering how many just needed to be regulated vs sent on for further warranty work.


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[Michael N Q8]

As noted previously, my 2018 BLRO definitely had this problem and I previously posted my results. It had a full service in February. I have used it on and off since the service and clearly there is a big improvement. It is gaining time slightly, within the spec. I have commenced measuring the performance using the app, and the first set of readings is shown on the pic. I will update accordingly…





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[francis]

Originally Posted by KKholiday77

Does anyone know what the problem actually is? Has anyone received their watch back after regulation with tech at AD or even back from RSC with a description of the correction? Wondering how many just needed to be regulated vs sent on for further warranty work.


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Took mine to watchmaker first as I just thought it needed to be regulated. Even though it was just a year or so old. He put it on a timegrapher machine and said “something is wrong with your watch. Send it back to rolex”
I think most have had the same issue


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by KKholiday77

Does anyone know what the problem actually is? Has anyone received their watch back after regulation with tech at AD or even back from RSC with a description of the correction? Wondering how many just needed to be regulated vs sent on for further warranty work.


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I dont know what the problem is.
I dont know how it looks on a timegrapher
I dont know if my watch has the problem

Seems like i dont know too much !

[WastedYears]

Originally Posted by KKholiday77

Does anyone know what the problem actually is? Has anyone received their watch back after regulation with tech at AD or even back from RSC with a description of the correction? Wondering how many just needed to be regulated vs sent on for further warranty work.

I sent my BLRO in under warranty and got it back again with a note saying that parts were replaced. I tried to find out exactly what parts were replaced, but apparently Rolex does not give out that information.

I have yet to put it back on a timegrapher to check the post-service numbers, but I will add those numbers to this thread when they're available.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I dont know what the problem is.
I dont know how it looks on a timegrapher
I dont know if my watch has the problem

Seems like i dont know too much !

I will guide you through the measurements you are presently doing. After short data analysis I can provide my amateur judgement if your watch movement has a developping problem or not, I would be surprised if it would.

You will not see a problem immediately popping up on your timegrapher screen.

What the problem is (or was) I leave Bas to answer. I have an idea and even a photo but I’m not competent enough to give a correct description.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

As noted previously, my 2018 BLRO definitely had this problem and I previously posted my results. It had a full service in February. I have used it on and off since the service and clearly there is a big improvement. It is gaining time slightly, within the spec. I have commenced measuring the performance using the app, and the first set of readings is shown on the pic. I will update accordingly…

Thanks Michael for coming back.
I assume you are running now a PR test with fixed DU position.
Your data table surprises me. For all my measured calibers (15xx, 31xx, 32xx) I have never seen that amplitudes in vertical position(s) are higher than in horizontal. Your amplitude values (316, 323, 335) are outside Rokex specs (310 max).
Apps are tricky to use since they are very sensitive to external noise and position of the microphone; a professional timegrapher is much more reliable, I'm sure you know.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Apps are tricky to use since they are very sensitive to external noise and position of the microphone; a professional timegrapher is much more reliable, I'm sure you know.

What App is this thats being used ? Just an app or do i need more ? Is it an iphone app ?

It might also be interesting to run the same test at the same time with a timegrapher and the App

we would see the difference.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

What App is this thats being used ? Just an app or do i need more ? Is it an iphone app ?

It might also be interesting to run the same test at the same time with a timegrapher and the App

we would see the difference.

Watch Tuner Timegrapher (available in App Store), see posts #56, #129.

You have a timegrapher, it makes no sense to use an App in parallel (same time).

Instead you can use Watch Tracker (available in App Store) which is good for timekeeping.

Example for 2 measurements at the same time.
Red data: timegrapher, blue data: Watch Tracker

[CharlesN]

I have the App Toolwatch. It is quite good.

Now i will get Watch Tracker. It looks pretty good and useful.

But ill not do anything until I have finished the current single position (Dial Up) from Full wind to stop monitoring.

[CharlesN]

My wife has just asked me if I love her anymore as i seem to be spending an awful lot of time in my "Hobby room" playing with my watches and timing them on my new watchtimer (Toy as she describes it).
She was thinking maybe i have a new girlfriend in my room. She realised that was not true as i come out so often to use my computer to post comments here.

To please her i did tell her that my watch power runs out after about 74 hours and i promised to pay more attention to her. She does deserve a lot of attention - She is so very good to me.

We have agreed that Illm only go into my room to copy down the tracking results and ill post them up when i have done a sufficient number so there is something to see.

I was warned by someone (saxo3) that this timing can become addictive .. It really has already.

[thorm]

My timekeeping with the OP36 126000 is around +0.2sec to +0.5sec per day when wearing it.

+0.5 to +0.8 when standing still dial up.
-0.1 to +0.0 when dial down

+0.2 to +0.3 when 3-o'clock down
+0.3 to +0.4 when 9-o'clock down
+0.2 to +0.5 when 12-o'clock down
+0.1 to +0.2 when 6-o'clocl down

All positions were tested for 4-7 days each

I don't have any way of seeing the amp, but I'm using the WatchCheck app on my phone to measure precision.

What do you guys think? Seems ok to me if it does not lose or gain even a single second per day

[saxo3]

@thorm. Absolutely perfect timekeeping!
Watch reference and purchase date?

[thorm]

Originally Posted by saxo3

@thorm. Absolutely perfect timekeeping!
Watch reference and purchase date?

OP36mm 126000, purchased oct 2020