Is the Batman losing popularity? Why does it seem like that?

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I sure hope the trend does go down but until you see watches in AD display cases, it seems to just move the needle slightly. When the trusted sellers start selling below msrp like they did less than 3 years ago, we will be back to true competitive buyers market. At this point it’s up to everyone’s personal value system when and how much they feel comfortable to pay. I am tired of all the speculation threads and would love to move back to the technical watch threads.

Hope no more sir.
Well its going down until now even on holiday season which completely the opposite of what you said thats it rising because of the price increase


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Well its going down until now even on holiday season which completely the opposite of what you said thats it rising because of the price increase
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Regardless where you find your data, I noticed David raised his prices this week by a few hundred dollars after the Rolex price hike announcement so this is like ltrying to prove a negative if everyone doesn’t pick the same established dealers to gage the price and selling rate. David and others are selling watches and a lot of them so we are nowhere near a drastic change in the near future since there is plenty stepping up to pay a premium above msrp. To like DavidSW or not, he is a very well respected industry seller well beyond hobby traders that knows the industry and has been at this a long time. Professionals at his level know the market trends. If you see DavidSW start to lower prices then you can be sure the market is lowering but that’s not the case yet.
A low volume unestablished dealer or a guy flipping his watch does not a trend make. It is what it is how every you want to interpret the tea leaves. There is no absolutes in predicting where the market is going. I have read the same threads the last 2.5 years with declarations of the Rolex market is finally going down. 3 years ago with those declaring that they would never ever pay $16k for a Daytona and will wait it out for it to go back to $14k.

If you are not in the market to buy the watch then why even care unless watch speculation has become a hobby. I don’t have a dog in the fight anymore and I detest speculating as it’s a waist of time because no one really knows what the future holds.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Regardless where you find your data, I noticed David raised his prices this week by a few hundred dollars so this is like ltrying to prove a negative if everyone doesn’t pick the same established dealers to gage the price and selling rate. David and others are selling watches and a lot of them so we are nowhere near a drastic change in the near future.
The free market or a guy flipping his watch does not a trend make. It is what it is how every you want to interpret the tea leaves. I don’t have a dog in the fight anymore and I detest speculating as it’s a waist of time because no one really knows what the future holds.

The data is in your face already and i already showed it to you. Its in these forum where the data lives and you can check it. Those sellers who are selling it for 14k are not private flippers. They are stablished seller here. Davidsw price his watch to his liking but that doesnt mean thats the price we should pay


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

The data is in your face already and i already showed it to you. Its in these forum where the data lives and you can check it. Those sellers who are selling it for 14k are not private flippers. They are stablished seller here. Davidsw price his watch to his liking but that doesnt mean thats the price we should pay


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How does DavidSW, Chase, Tony, Takuya, sell their watches at those “over market prices” so easily and do it in volume?? If they are that far out of touch with the market they would not be some of our forums most trusted sellers. I have been buying watches too long and know these guys and how they operate to even imply they don’t know what they are doing.
Unless you have purchased a few watches from these other low ball sellers, then I am going to politely disagree you are just cheery picking from anonymous low ball listings and have no idea the actual watch condition or buying experience. Unless you are rolling the dice with your own money, then all this is pure speculation.

[Seibei]

Because the jubilee fad is loosing momentum maybe.

[ReclinerTimer]

Feel like the Daytona and Pepsi will always have a little more "it" factor when it comes to collectors than the Batman. The Batman will always be sought after when compared to an Explorer or Datejust, but the Daytona and Pepsi are just on another level. Just my two cents

[Mystro]

I love this watch..... As soon as the BLRO came out, I mentioned on the forum that day if they do that to the BLNR, I am buying it. It has become my #1 Rolex favorite.

[Manu74]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I love this watch..... As soon as the BLRO came out, I mentioned on the forum that day if they do that to the BLNR, I am buying it. It has become my #1 Rolex favorite.

Nice pic of the Batgirl!

[watchdisplay]

It’s not that special!


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I’ve owned both, BLNR on oyster and now on jubilee. They are both beautiful, but I genuinely prefer the jubilee. Until you’ve seen both in person I don’t think that you can judge. I do think the “batgirl” name is childish. There is not a single other Rolex with a nickname that admonishes it and I can speculate as to the motivation of those use it. As far as popularity/price—who cares! I paid $9,250 for it at my AD and I’m not selling it.


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[PepsiBezel]

With respect to pricing trends —you could find outliers, and you could probably take time and figure out some algorithm that tracks all selling data on web... Or, you could trust, at least for the purposes of a general gauge of the market, that DavidSW is tracking the broader market and is basing his prices on a reasonable expectation of a sale.

Think of DavidSW like the S&P500 — it is a good barometer of the greater market. Sure you could find individual stocks that perform better or worse, but the S&P will always be a benchmark.

[904VT]

Must we with the corny Batman and Batgirl nicknames

[PepsiBezel]

I wonder if the Execs at Pan Am were upset that the watch was branded “Pepsi” after they were the ones who asked for it! All the marketing they lost on to Pepsi!

I don’t get why so many folks here get triggered by the use of “girl” in a colloquial name for a watch.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by HarryFlashman

I wonder if the Execs at Pan Am were upset that the watch was branded “Pepsi” after they were the ones who asked for it! All the marketing they lost on to Pepsi!

I don’t get why so many folks here get triggered by the use of “girl” in a colloquial name for a watch.

Batman is just as out of place. Not sure why we all must force comic book names on Rolex watches

To answer the OP I hear Ben Affleck didn’t do too well with the film

[sambb]

unsure of why batgirl is a negative term. Seems very gender biased to think that, and more typical of a historical corporate culture. Smurf and esp. hulk would seem more problematic - not even human.

Nevertheless the BLNRs are all beautiful. And it doesnt matter to me what gender they are based on for a nickname. But please dont call them a name like an imaginary miniature blue creature (smurf).

Good luck to those that have any of the BLNRs. So hard to find them!

[WatchLurv]

Just go to Hong Kong and you can get it for -10% off from DavidSW's price. You buy enough watches and you've saved yourself the planeticket.

It seems like people only rely on the sales side of this forum. I've never seen DavidSW represented at the watchfairs in Hong Kong. That's where you find the top of the industry. Even Watchtrading Co is represented there as they do cross-border business. People need to open up on their views of how and who to buy from when it comes to grey dealers.

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Just go to Hong Kong and you can get it for -10% off from DavidSW's price. You buy enough watches and you've saved yourself the planeticket.

It seems like people only rely on the sales side of this forum. I've never seen DavidSW represented at the watchfairs in Hong Kong. That's where you find the top of the industry. Even Watchtrading Co is represented there as they do cross-border business. People need to open up on their views of how and who to buy from when it comes to grey dealers.

pretty much. Thats why you never use the TS on here as benchmark. They are not present in the biggest watch fairs around the world.

The news from the big dealers is that the current watch market is soft. Big decrease in demand from only 6-12 months ago and the concensus is that its going to keep dropping in the gray market.

No-one here is saying the BLNR/BLRO or whatever is going to sell under MSRP anytime soon but those ridiculous crazy markups are long gone and ppl are just not jumping on them at listed prices from the grays on here.

There is a massive gray market world out there outside of TRF.

[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by peterpl

pretty much. Thats why you never use the TS on here as benchmark. They are not present in the biggest watch fairs around the world.

The news from the big dealers is that the current watch market is soft. Big decrease in demand from only 6-12 months ago and the concensus is that its going to keep dropping in the gray market.

No-one here is saying the BLNR/BLRO or whatever is going to sell under MSRP anytime soon but those ridiculous crazy markups are long gone and ppl are just not jumping on them at listed prices from the grays on here.

There is a massive gray market world out there outside of TRF.

The Chinese stopped coming to Hong Kong to fry the market (as they call it). At least the normal people can now get their watches.

I love to read people's Christmas theory or Nasdaq dropped 5 points...

Originally Posted by watchmework

We don’t know what prices the trusted sellers get these watches for, but I can guarantee you they aren’t msrp...I’m sure there is a fair amount of markup but not what most people think off the cuff.

Greys work on a 5-10% margin.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

At least the normal people can now get their watches.

Do you realise what you are actually saying

[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by joli160

Do you realise what you are actually saying

The amount of people coming out of the woodworks to buy a 13800 Batgirl vs one that was priced at 16600 USD pre-protest in Hong Kong is astounding. It should perhaps be corrected to "normal" people.

[locutus49]

All you do is spread bitterness and resentment. And you state opinions as if they were fact. Your hatred of greys is clouding your judgment IMO.

Originally Posted by peterpl

pretty much. Thats why you never use the TS on here as benchmark. They are not present in the biggest watch fairs around the world.

The news from the big dealers is that the current watch market is soft. Big decrease in demand from only 6-12 months ago and the concensus is that its going to keep dropping in the gray market.

No-one here is saying the BLNR/BLRO or whatever is going to sell under MSRP anytime soon but those ridiculous crazy markups are long gone and ppl are just not jumping on them at listed prices from the grays on here.

There is a massive gray market world out there outside of TRF.

[Ihatecheese]

The fad will surely always change from time to time. I wonder what colour bezel will make the internet explode next.

I love that term batgirl. Never heard it prior but will endevour to use in future to anyone i feel might be horrified by associating with femininity. :D

[pj1369]

Originally Posted by Ihatecheese

The fad will surely always change from time to time. I wonder what colour bezel will make the internet explode next.

I love that term batgirl. Never heard it prior but will endevour to use in future to anyone i feel might be horrified by associating with femininity. :D

Love this. Agree.

[Rrpdc]

Hmm. Ridiculous Grey prices might be falling but good luck finding blnr at any ad for retail. They are def still popular. Any ss is popular now.

[Dlong]

Seems like lots of people have been lucky. And that is only the minute fraction of people that post about new watches online. What about the thousands that don’t post “incoming “.

[RTG]

BLRO will win the collectibility war. I doubt the number of BLNR fans has decreased, but BLRO will remain more desirable.

Personally I would rather wear black/blue than red/blue. My wife only wears her old BLNR anymore. She had no desire to switch to our BLRO.

[BigBlue1]

It must be, I don’t even know what that is referring to anymore.

[MSchu]

its a darn color way... how trivial can people be.
give me black black black any day

[Kiddodoc]

The BLNR has come down quicker in price than the BLRO. Most seem to love the Pepsi look more than the black and blue. I have had the BLNR on oyster, which I did like a lot but when the BLNR on jubilee came out, I was intrigued but then my AD called me on the BLRO and I became hooked on the jubilee. Now many on here prefer the oyster but in my collection, it is full of oyster bands and I really prefer the GMT on a jubilee. I traded my oyster BLNR for the BLNR on jubilee and have been wearing it the most. It goes with almost everything and the jubilee is so comfortable.

[martinjames192]

You can almost see it at every turn, so why give value to a mass produced product?

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