Does a Tudor deserve space on a Rolex forum?

[subprimero]

Personally I like it the way it is. I probably would have never known about the Navy issue Tudors had Tudor not been in the main forum. The 925 and the Heritage Chrono are also tempting.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

It's well known that Rolex doesn't make the movements in Tudor anymore. They did in the past, but now ETA does. I'm not throwing shade on the brand by any means.

You often see VW posts on Audi forums, but you never see Audi posts on VW forums.

My daily watch is an Omega Speedmaster pro. Its also well known that Swatch brand owns Omega. You NEVER see people posting Swatch questions on the Omega forums.

Either way. I guess this makes our community unique.

You are incorrect, sir.

Originally Posted by cornerstore

Seems perhaps you have it backwards and somewhat wrong.

To the best of my knowledge Rolex never made Tudor movements. Tudor used virtually all Rolex parts making now Vintage Tudor Subs but used ETA movements to keep costs low.

Tudor now uses, in many models, their own in house manufactured movements, which I guess one could say are technically made by Rolex.

Tudor went to in house movements when squeezed to do so by the Swatch Group.

Wikipedia “

Movements used in Tudor classic watches are manufactured by the Swiss companies ETA or Valjoux.[26] In 2015, Tudor launched its first in-house movement for its Pelagos and North Flag watches. In 2017, Tudor then entered into a cooperative agreement with Breitling, providing the MT5612 movement from the Tudor Pelagos for Breitling's Superocean Heritage watch, while in return Breitling produces the Tudor Calibre MT5813 movement for use in the new Tudor Heritage Chronograph, based on the Breitling B01.[27][28][29]

Tudor also produces variants of their 2015 "Manufacture Calibre". The MT 5601 was developed specifically for the Black Bay Bronze model, and is slightly larger in diameter and displaying hours, minutes and seconds functions. The MT5602 was developed for the Black Bay and the Black Bay Dark models, and displays hours, minutes and seconds.

On May 25, 2021 Tudor announced their Manufacture Calibre MT5602-1U alongside their new Black Bay Ceramic timepiece. The movement is almost entirely black, with a black tungsten rotor, a 70 hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring. It is also the company's first METAS-certified master chromometer timepiece, able to function within a tolerance range of +/- 5 seconds per day.[30]

You are correct, sir.
dP

[steveclr]

Originally Posted by jimcameron

I wear my Tudor whenever my Invicta needs a new battery.

Most Tudors don't appeal to me but I have no problem with Tudor threads in the Rolex forum as they are quality watches.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

It's well known that Rolex doesn't make the movements in Tudor anymore. They did in the past, but now ETA does. I'm not throwing shade on the brand by any means.

You often see VW posts on Audi forums, but you never see Audi posts on VW forums.

My daily watch is an Omega Speedmaster pro. Its also well known that Swatch brand owns Omega. You NEVER see people posting Swatch questions on the Omega forums.

Either way. I guess this makes our community unique.

Firstly, Rolex NEVER made Tudor calibres. They didn't even make their own as they contracted these exclusively from Aegler. Secondly, Swatch and Omega are not alike at all and have a completely different history. It's this history that links Rolex and Tudor.


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[HORNBLOWER]

Most days I prefer to wear Tudor over Rolex. Just sayin....

[Andad]

Originally Posted by NachoNeal

Statistically speaking the person wearing the Tudor watch is bound to be a much more enjoyable person compared to your typical Rolex-wearing D-bag.

There is a watch forum for you somewhere but it sure as hell is not TRF.

Statistically speaking that is.

Don’t bother replying I won’t see it.

[Oyster Perp]

Im old enough to remember Tissot being part of Omega and Heuer before TAG !!
Tudor is fine here.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by ink3027

I believe it’s an outreach effort from the TRF moderators, to allow the poverty-stricken rubes wearing Tudor to be able to learn class, taste, sophistication, and refinement from their Rolex-collecting superiors.

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[WhiskeyNovember]

Tudor is becoming more and more interesting and slowly filling the ‘old’ space occupied by Rolex. Some really interesting pieces released this year too. The BB58 925 in Silver is out of the box thinking, looks stunning and really works well.

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Tudor is Rolex.

This might appear to be an easy hair to split but where do you stop?

I would miss Tudor if it left the main section.

Understand where OP is coming from. But this is my opinion too. Tudor is Rolex.

[watchmavan]

BTW

It's not the "Rolex" forum that Tudor is crashing. It's named as both brands, not the Rolex forum that we let Tudor crash.


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[JDsnewwatch]

Wow, don't I feel silly, TWO whole months of not using eta movements. BURN on me.

time to lighten up guys.

Originally Posted by cornerstore

Seems perhaps you have it backwards and somewhat wrong.

To the best of my knowledge Rolex never made Tudor movements. Tudor used virtually all Rolex parts making now Vintage Tudor Subs but used ETA movements to keep costs low.

Tudor now uses, in many models, their own in house manufactured movements, which I guess one could say are technically made by Rolex.

Tudor went to in house movements when squeezed to do so by the Swatch Group.

Wikipedia “

Movements used in Tudor classic watches are manufactured by the Swiss companies ETA or Valjoux.[26] In 2015, Tudor launched its first in-house movement for its Pelagos and North Flag watches. In 2017, Tudor then entered into a cooperative agreement with Breitling, providing the MT5612 movement from the Tudor Pelagos for Breitling's Superocean Heritage watch, while in return Breitling produces the Tudor Calibre MT5813 movement for use in the new Tudor Heritage Chronograph, based on the Breitling B01.[27][28][29]

Tudor also produces variants of their 2015 "Manufacture Calibre". The MT 5601 was developed specifically for the Black Bay Bronze model, and is slightly larger in diameter and displaying hours, minutes and seconds functions. The MT5602 was developed for the Black Bay and the Black Bay Dark models, and displays hours, minutes and seconds.

On May 25, 2021 Tudor announced their Manufacture Calibre MT5602-1U alongside their new Black Bay Ceramic timepiece. The movement is almost entirely black, with a black tungsten rotor, a 70 hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring. It is also the company's first METAS-certified master chromometer timepiece, able to function within a tolerance range of +/- 5 seconds per day.[30]

[Craigdwh]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

Wow, don't I feel silly, TWO whole months of not using eta movements. BURN on me.

time to lighten up guys.

You really have no idea what you're talking about lol.

[pb2au]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

We need the following boards:

Tudor

FP Journe

Value / Price / Resale

...any others, the MODS are listening.

I would love to see an A. Lange & Sohne forum.

I like both Rolex and Tudor and collect both.

[LazySumday]

I don’t think the Op meant anything wrong with the original post. After all, this is a Rolex forum where the minimum price for admission is very expensive to be in this “club”. Rolex is about exclusivity whether one likes it or not and I think everyone on this forum that is a member understands this.

Personally, I like the old school Tudors and don’t mind any posts from Tudor fans and think the history is cool. I also like that people posts other watches from time to time like SKX Seikos, Omegas, etc.


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[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

Wow, don't I feel silly, TWO whole months of not using eta movements. BURN on me.

time to lighten up guys.

Sorry pal, you got that wrong too. Facts are stubborn.
dP

[minute_man]

Originally Posted by LazySumday

I don’t think the Op meant anything wrong with the original post. After all, this is a Rolex forum where the minimum price for admission is very expensive to be in this “club”. Rolex is about exclusivity whether one likes it or not and I think everyone on this forum that is a member understands this.

Personally, I like the old school Tudors and don’t mind any posts from Tudor fans and think the history is cool. I also like that people posts other watches from time to time like SKX Seikos, Omegas, etc.


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I respectfully disagree with your first part.
OP does come across as a snob in the way that he expresses himself, at least initially.

Now, there's nothing "exclusive" about owning a mass produced watch. There's no such "club" that commands an admission price; one either has or doesn't have the means to own a Rolex. And owning one doesn't make a person any better or worse.

Tudor is a part of Rolex, one that I wasn't even aware of until I began to frequent these forums and further educated myself on the history of the brand. And I'm glad I did.

[Richard Carver]

After reading through the responses its become evident a new forum is required at TRF. I think the dapper gentlemen who feel a bit uncomfortable being forced to associate with Tudor should have their own forum! Rolex only and nothing older than 2015 allowed! It would be called the D forum (for Dapper!) and the forum logo would be a capital D emblazoned on a stylish Abercrombie & Fitch bag! This would put owners of lesser timepieces on notice that silence is as golden as a diamond encrusted 45 mm Day Date! Members of the D forum could self select or perhaps be nominated by less fortunate members.

Please, no accolades, happy to help in these parlous times!

[Frank McKay]

Tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing Tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

[turkeysub93]

Originally Posted by Frank McKay

Tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing Tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

This. There are so many differences between modern day Tudor and modern day Rolex.

[snyde]

Originally Posted by Kinnakeet

That’s a very nice watch. There is one for sale exactly like it in Winter Park Fl that I recently considered. The issue was the bracelet. I felt that it was so very light and loose feeling. But not unlike older oyster bracelets.

I’ve noticed that too. I think it’s by design as Tudor was once marketed as an affordable Rolex alternative. I can imagine someone holding both models and associating the extra weight of the case with premium quality. The Tudor in the below picture is light weight and has the classic bracelet of older Rolex/ Tudor models.




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[DJ2020]

Hmm, I think it needs it's own forum. Tudor is not a Rolex no more than Tissot or Hamilton is a Omega. Maybe over seen by the same people, but they are different in there on right and deserves there own forum. Tudor makes more than BB's and Plegos watches but rarely recognized on the Rolex forum. I say give the Tudor enthusiasts there own forum.

[Sgooter]

Originally Posted by frank mckay

tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

+1

[snyde]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Hmm, I think it needs it's own forum. Tudor is not a Rolex no more than Tissot or Hamilton is a Omega. Maybe over seen by the same people, but they are different in there on right and deserves there own forum. Tudor makes more than BB's and Plegos watches but rarely recognized on the Rolex forum. I say give the Tudor enthusiasts there own forum.

I agree Tudor should have it’s on forum in addition to the Rolex forum. Rolex doesn’t own Tudor but they do make Tudor. If you’re a Rolex employee you’ll be working on Rolex projects and Tudor projects.

Anyone who owns a Rolex and Tudor can see the same work in both watches. All the little things from design of the warranty to the case/ bracelet markings. There’s only so many things you can feel on a watch and the crown mechanism is the obvious one. It’s the same on this Tudor as it was on my White OP 39 ( from the likely clicking noise as you you unscrew to the way it disengages and screws in)

Before Tissot and Omega merged, they were two separate watch makers, and they are now owned by the same company. Not really comparable to Rolex and Tudor.




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[Tricolore66]

Rolex used to outsource quite a few of their components and it wasn’t until fairly recently, relative to the history of the brand, that they’ve been making their bracelets in-house.

I hate to throw historical facts into this Rolex v. Tudor argument perpetuated by the members of this forum that actually know very little about watches and history other than the pretty pictures on their Instagram feed, how much they cost, and how long the waiting list is.

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by snyde

I agree Tudor should have it’s on forum in addition to the Rolex forum. Rolex doesn’t own Tudor but they do make Tudor. If you’re a Rolex employee you’ll be working on Rolex projects and Tudor projects.

Anyone who owns a Rolex and Tudor can see the same work in both watches. All the little things from design of the warranty to the case/ bracelet markings. There’s only so many things you can feel on a watch and the crown mechanism is the obvious one. It’s the same on this Tudor as it was on my White OP 39 ( from the likely clicking noise as you you unscrew to the way it disengages and screws in)

Before Tissot and Omega merged, they were two separate watch makers, and they are now owned by the same company. Not really comparable to Rolex and Tudor.




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Actually Rolex and Tudor are owned by the same company, the Founder of both companies Foundation. Hans Wilsdorf .. siblings if you will. Rolex the conservative older brother, Tudor the younger more casual laid back brother:)


Wiki”

Montres TUDOR SA is a Swiss manufacturer of luxury wristwatches based in Geneva. Registered in 1926 by Hans Wilsdorf, the founder of Rolex SA, the brand remains a sister company to Rolex, both companies being owned by the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation. Over time Tudor became especially well known for its tool watches, producing watches for professional divers and the military. Between the 1960s and 1980s[3] several navies issued Tudor Submariners to their divers, including the US Navy SEALs, and the French Marine Nationale (French Navy).[4]

[Pinchy]

I like seeing the tudor threads here. There's a lot of overlap in terms of history, interest and ownership (of the watches and company), it's the right tip of the hat all three commonalities.

I would disagree that this is the same as saying omega and hamilton or tissot in the same forum is similarly appropriate. The only thing they share is corporate ownership, there's little substance in that.

[IAN1]

Originally Posted by Frank McKay

Tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing Tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

I agree

[JDsnewwatch]

++ Same!

Originally Posted by IAN1

I agree