Possible red flag on deal, please read.

[ndrs63]

This is why I don’t even consider new members. Just mail back the check. More than likely fake


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[jb335]

Originally Posted by garyk

Hard to believe even here someone tried to pull rank on you! So weird….

Lol, it was sarcasm because she was dismissing a potential buyer for low post count.


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[sdgadave]

In the end the check will be in his possession Monday. No one was harmed. I simply made the decision to walk away from a deal that had some issues.


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[Number3]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I think he was kidding.

Yup.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

“What other people think of me is none of my business.”

Kat


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Great attitude!

[White Collar Boy]

Originally Posted by garyk

Great attitude!

x 2

A joke, but a bit of a mean one really.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by jb335

Lol, it was sarcasm because she was dismissing a potential buyer for low post count.


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Tried to read the thread on my phone at a car show in the bright sun. That’s what I get for doing so. Apologies….

[GGGMT]

How’s the sale going?


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[sdgadave]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

How’s the sale going?


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Sent his check back today for Monday delivery. Walked from the deal peacefully.


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[1st amg]

Never, ever give in. Wire or beat it.

[georgew]

eject immediately. the stress isn't worth it. Find a new, and legit buyer

[LAS45]

Thank you for the update. Hopefully buyer can respond back when he receives the check.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Never, ever give in. Wire or beat it.

Yep.

[JDsnewwatch]

disagree. Contact your local police department, and bring the fraudulent cashier's check over. Guy tried to scam you. Give them all the info you have. Move on.

I had this happen once, here was the game. Buyer sends you a fake cashier's check for 10K. Your item is 5K. He makes up some story how he can only get cashiers checks in 10K demoninations. Asks for you to send him back 5K. Seems fishy. So, you use your mobile app to depost this fake check. That takes three days to clear. Now YOUR bank is pissed because YOU tried to pass a bad check. Your scam artist might have gotten his 5K from you (or in this case, YOUR watch).

You can start by contacting the issuing bank and asking if you can send them a picture of the check because you have some concerns. This is a courtesy that all banks will do. You take a pic, email it over. They validate quickly.

Once you get verification, let the police handle.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

disagree. Contact your local police department, and bring the fraudulent cashier's check over. Guy tried to scam you. Give them all the info you have. Move on.

I had this happen once, here was the game. Buyer sends you a fake cashier's check for 10K. Your item is 5K. He makes up some story how he can only get cashiers checks in 10K demoninations. Asks for you to send him back 5K. Seems fishy. So, you use your mobile app to depost this fake check. That takes three days to clear. Now YOUR bank is pissed because YOU tried to pass a bad check. Your scam artist might have gotten his 5K from you (or in this case, YOUR watch).

You can start by contacting the issuing bank and asking if you can send them a picture of the check because you have some concerns. This is a courtesy that all banks will do. You take a pic, email it over. They validate quickly.

Once you get verification, let the police handle.

Why would anybody do a cash back deal in connection with selling a watch. It just adds insult to injury.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by sdgadave

My bank would not accept the cashiers check. The manager contacted their BSA Officer and they both contacted the issuing bank and could not verify it. The branch manager explained to me the routing numbers on the cashiers check are not from the issuing bank.


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Sounds like a bad check. I’d tell the buyer what your bank told you. Unless I had funds wired to my account no deal. That simple. Trust your spidey instincts.

[JDsnewwatch]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

Why would anybody do a cash back deal in connection with selling a watch. It just adds insult to injury.

google it. It's a thing. I was surprised and when I turned the check and emails over to the FBI field office, the guy who tried to defraud me was SO PISSED LOL. I don't play. Interstate bank fraud is a federal crime.. so..

[KatGirl]

I also contacted the FBI, when someone sent me a phony cashier’s check. I was instructed to do so, by my bank.

Kat


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[INC]

So the check travels back to the potential customer who will receive it shortly. Okay, that part of the case is closed. But let me ask you a simple question:

What will you say if the buyer transfers the money after that?

[m j b]

Originally Posted by WilsdorfNDavis

Wire transfers or nothing mate.

Cashier's checks can be cancelled even after the fact.

Not true. Not in America.

Originally Posted by sdgadave

My bank would not accept the cashiers check. The manager contacted their BSA Officer and they both contacted the issuing bank and could not verify it. The branch manager explained to me the routing numbers on the cashiers check are not from the issuing bank.

Good on you, doing the diligence. Obviously it's a scam.

I buy and sell watches, cars, etc. quite often (less on the watches these days) and my practice is to Google the bank branch that he/she purportedly got the check from and call them. Never use the number printed on the check. Ask for the person that signed the check, and ask them if they remember so-and-so getting the check. If it's a large amount (and it usually is) then they will remember. Confirm that the check is OK, and carry on.

I've never had a problem. Natch wiring is preferable, but some people balk, for whatever reason.

[kidcurtis]

I am going to address a few things since David chooses to do his business out in the public forum for everyone's entertainment.

1)I asked David if he was acceptable to a Bank Check as payment, to which he agreed, I explained the bank would hold funds for 2-5days until funds clear and CLEARLY told him to hold the watch as long as he needed until funds were cleared for him. Never asked him to "refund" any money or send watch ahead of time. David had ZERO risk in the entire process.
I've paid with checks my entire adult life; including JMBullion for gold which I use personal checks, I know you want to, so go look it up on the JMBullion website. They hold the order and send it 5days.

David's listings says he accepts PayPal for Christ sake; no fraud has ever occurred with PayPal. Wire Fraud is a real thing too; google that as well.

2)David never ONCE contacted me to tell me he had any issue with the check... I had to find out almost 3 days after the fact when I saw he re-posted the watch for sale and found this post in the thread. Immediately tried to call him to get clarification, answers, assist in resolving the matter, but got no answer. To this day the man will not answer or return a phone call. It took me posting on this thread to get a text response from him. And left me wondering what has happened to 5 figures of my money. Contrary to popular belief; you cant just cancel an Official Bank Check.

3)Official Bank checks use completely different routing numbers than standard bank personal checking account; they can not be identified through a google search as David stated he did in Post #1. David must use the most incompetent bank in Las Vegas if they can't find a phone number to another banks branch. But in Post #1, he clearly states only he called a number off Google.

4)David knows I'm a legitimate buyer; he acknowledged such in Post #80. But, for those that think its all a scam and David should contact authorities; please do. I provided David with my entire contact information, employment and H&R contact. They'll know right where to find me for a meeting in my office. I'll be able to get an answer as to what extent David's brother used his Official Capacity working in Bank Security Administration to look into a private business transaction for his brother. (See David's Post#80). There may be another issue that needs to be address.

David has stated he doesn't want to complete a transaction with me on any terms cause he doesn't want to share his wire instruction; even though he sent me a copy of his DL; which I DID NOT request, and did not need.

Those keyboard warriors that think your post count gives all the credibility you need; put your money where your mouth is. David has had two watches for sale for months now, step up and get you one.

I received my check back today, funds are back in my account now. All my Banker had to say was, "Some peoples kids, what do you do..."

I walk a line of integrity which most of you can not possible comprehend.

Ya'll can have your forum, I'll stick with personal business from now on where I can look a man, or lady, in the eye and shake their hand.

[kidcurtis]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

google it. It's a thing. I was surprised and when I turned the check and emails over to the FBI field office, the guy who tried to defraud me was SO PISSED LOL. I don't play. Interstate bank fraud is a federal crime.. so..

Sure wish he would. David has my entire contact information, work, and H&R number.
Maybe we could get an answer as to why David’s brother who works in Bank Secirity Administration is using his Official Capacity to look into private financial dealing for his brother. Maybe a whole other issue to address here.

[worldfamoussam]

One thing that fascinated me the most as an American reading this thread was the foreigners laughing at the fact that we still use cashier's checks. I work in real estate and while wires are more common, settlement agents often do accept cashier's checks for keys. But yeah, seems like we're operating in another century here. I am yet again humbled by more advanced societies.

[kidcurtis]

Originally Posted by sdgadave

I did wait 2 days to recontact the buyer. When I went to my (big name)bank to deposit the cashiers check to my account the teller had an issue verifying it, she called the manager over and told him what was going on. He asked me to wait while he try’s to get it verified and would call back to the window to proceed. About 30 minutes went buy and he came out to the floor and told me he and his fraud department could not verify the check in the system and would not accept it. This is one of the top banks in this country and they get many cashiers checks a day with no issues. I’m sure anyone here after hearing this from their bank would not want continue with the deal. I also talked to my brother who is in bank security (BSA) and told me the reasons it could have been flagged. The buyer texted/called me and I told him the situation and I would 2nd day air him his check back they same way it was sent to me. Yes 2 days had gone buy, everything about me wants to believe the best in people and wanted the deal to happen. But as you all know when we joined the forum and with anything in life if you don’t feel 100% comfortable walk away. That’s all I’m doing here. 2 parts to this deal is the watch and the money. I have done a few deals here that I hope has built trust with a potential buyer or seller (1 face to face the others were PayPal and a wire to one of the biggest trusted seller on the forum). We all have had our first transaction on TRF and things generally go smooth. This was not smooth. I am not upset and again I will send his check back today and wished him well on his watch collecting journey.


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Since you choose to do your business out on a public forum, I’ll call you out on a flat lie here…. You NEVER once tried to contact me saying you had any issue with anything. Almost 3 days went by with no communication until I saw you posted the watch back up for sale and found this thread. I walk a line of integrity you couldn’t possibly comprehend. A simple adult conversation could have saved us both a big head ache.

You clearly use the most incompetent bank in LV… Official check routing numbers are different than standard bank routine numbers. I believe when your bank explained there would be a hold on the funds until the check clears you decided you didn’t want to do that; if that’s the case, just say it.

Atleast you acknowledge that you know I’m a legit buyer, as noted in your last line, I guess there’s that.

[Ontime]

I think you should contact the buyer, its either a wire transfer or nothing else for me.

[mmmk604]

It's time to let this thread die.

His bank didn't accept a bank draft, there's not much else to it. He didn't name the potential buyer, the buyer revealed himself. Move on to the next transaction!

[sdgadave]

Originally Posted by mmmk604

It's time to let this thread die.

His bank didn't accept a bank draft, there's not much else to it. He didn't name the potential buyer, the buyer revealed himself. Move on to the next transaction!

Thank you I agree.


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[boltz]

Not a good deal.

[dauster]

Originally Posted by Socalwatchguy

Why not just simply notify the buyer you were not able to cash the check? And if they want to proceed with the purchase either wire or send a new check that can be cashed. No harm in that?


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exactly this !!! as long as you get the funds before you ship the watch you are good

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by m j b

Not true. Not in America.



Good on you, doing the diligence. Obviously it's a scam.

I buy and sell watches, cars, etc. quite often (less on the watches these days) and my practice is to Google the bank branch that he/she purportedly got the check from and call them. Never use the number printed on the check. Ask for the person that signed the check, and ask them if they remember so-and-so getting the check. If it's a large amount (and it usually is) then they will remember. Confirm that the check is OK, and carry on.

I've never had a problem. Natch wiring is preferable, but some people balk, for whatever reason.

Well, I sure have. Years ago, you could simply call any bank and verify a check. Now when you call a bank all you get is an automated attendant. You cannot get a live person or any information on anything, unless you are the bank customer with a user account and pin number.