FP Journe Appreciation Thread, an Evolution.

[soulsea]

Question for you experts about straps.

My understanding is that the FPJ ones have a quick release button to allow for easy swaps.

How are custom aftermarket market straps compatible with this system?

For example I really like this one but I’m curious how they make it work:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0CFw29r...YzOWQzNmJjMA==

[F131F]

Originally Posted by soulsea

Question for you experts about straps.

My understanding is that the FPJ ones have a quick release button to allow for easy swaps.

How are custom aftermarket market straps compatible with this system?

For example I really like this one but I’m curious how they make it work:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0CFw29r...YzOWQzNmJjMA==

All you need is specify 20 mm curved ends and quick release spring bars. Most custom strap makers are familiar with the concept and will know what to do.

[GB-man]

Yeah anyone who is make straps for FPJ watches should know the routine. I have ones from ACM and Jean Rousseau and both are equipped.

[soulsea]

Thank you both.

One last question … is the lug width the same on the 40 and the 42mm watches?

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by soulsea

Thank you both.

One last question … is the lug width the same on the 40 and the 42mm watches?

All the mechanical references have the same lug width AFAIK.the straps are from Jean Rousseau in case you wonder.

[F131F]

Originally Posted by soulsea

Thank you both. One last question … is the lug width the same on the 40 and the 42mm watches?

Yes! All watches have a 20 mm lug width and their OEM straps have a 19 mm buckle width. If you order aftermarket straps, you need to decide whether you want to use the OEM 19 mm buckles or opt for another more commonly used width (16, 18 or 20). OEM buckles are very expensive if you which to add them to your aftermarket choices.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by F131F

Yes! All watches have a 20 mm lug width and their OEM straps have a 19 mm buckle width. If you order aftermarket straps, you need to decide whether you want to use the OEM 19 mm buckles or opt for another more commonly used width (16, 18 or 20). OEM buckles are very expensive if you which to add them to your aftermarket choices.

For the pin buckle, it is quite easy to swap out as it is just spring loaded. Now, with the deployant, I will not do it again as I just "destroyed" one the last time I tried to swap one out.

[kaiserphoenix]

Just becareful with the FPJ and aftermarket straps. The issue I had was with the actual curved spring bars used by ACM. If you can get your FPJ boutique to give you some spare spring bars, try to use them as the the spring bars used by ACM had a slight rattle and obviously that will cause it to damage the inside of the case.

[F131F]

Originally Posted by kaiserphoenix

Just becareful with the FPJ and aftermarket straps. The issue I had was with the actual curved spring bars used by ACM. If you can get your FPJ boutique to give you some spare spring bars, try to use them as the the spring bars used by ACM had a slight rattle and obviously that will cause it to damage the inside of the case.

That's no longer a concern. I've bought a number of curved straps from ACM, Delugs, Handdn, Veblenist, Nostime, etc. that work perfectly.

[DonLee]

stopped by FP Journe the other day, and I was just notified that the 48 Elegante with titalyt will no longer be produced with a white dial. The regular titanium will come with white dial and the titalyt will come with the black dial. I was a little bummed about it. They asked which one I'd pick given this situation. I said I'd go for the black dial.

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by DonLee

stopped by FP Journe the other day, and I was just notified that the 48 Elegante with titalyt will no longer be produced with a white dial. The regular titanium will come with white dial and the titalyt will come with the black dial. I was a little bummed about it. They asked which one I'd pick given this situation. I said I'd go for the black dial.

That's correct. The black dial replaced the white on the 48mm titalyt.

The 40mm titalyt with no diamonds and the one with 2 rows of diamonds still come with the white dial.

Both dials are nice, but I prefer the darker titalyt to the regular titanium, so I would opt for the black dial as well.

[NardinNut]

Tried this on yesterday. Absolutely amazing

[westoque]

Has anyone else gotten an email for non allocation? Curious if anyone else got it. I was informed that my wishlist item cannot be fulfilled. My guess is due to me not visiting as often due to my schedule.

All good either way. I actually think it’s good that they send this out so you know your place. Also, I’m really hoping they back the 38mm pieces.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by westoque

Has anyone else gotten an email for non allocation? Curious if anyone else got it. I was informed that my wishlist item cannot be fulfilled. My guess is due to me not visiting as often due to my schedule.

All good either way. I actually think it’s good that they send this out so you know your place. Also, I’m really hoping they back the 38mm pieces.

We just got an email yesterday notifying that the piece is not available for 2024. And asked to reconfirm the interest list for coming year.

[hgg43c]

yup same here - asking me to swing back in to discuss best course of action for 2025 allocations, etc - I had heard back in August that 2024 was going to be tough because of the London Boutique opening -

[dakkonmc]

Originally Posted by NardinNut

Tried this on yesterday. Absolutely amazing

That watch in Platinum is absolutely stunning in person. Wish that watch comes in with a rubber or a titanium strap to reduce the overall weight of the watch.



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[westoque]

Originally Posted by westoque

Has anyone else gotten an email for non allocation? Curious if anyone else got it. I was informed that my wishlist item cannot be fulfilled. My guess is due to me not visiting as often due to my schedule.

All good either way. I actually think it’s good that they send this out so you know your place. Also, I’m really hoping they back the 38mm pieces.

Just want to vent out frustration since I just saw a 2023 CS Havana for sale in Chrono24. Figured those allocated are vetted moreso than usual but alas.

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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by westoque

Just want to vent out frustration since I just saw a 2023 CS Havana for sale in Chrono24. Figured those allocated are vetted moreso than usual but alas.

Lottsa of FPJ for sale in the secondary, i mean A LOT of them. If FPJ only makes a claimed 900 pieces a year, and H. Moser (for example) makes a claimed 2000 pieces a year, why are there far fewer H. Moser timepieces for sale than FPJ?

i find this very curious.

[offrdmania]

Im guessing that with the recent bad press about Journe (his own making), a lot of people are trying to unload their position in the brand.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Lottsa of FPJ for sale in the secondary, i mean A LOT of them. If FPJ only makes a claimed 900 pieces a year, and H. Moser (for example) makes a claimed 2000 pieces a year, why are there far fewer H. Moser timepieces for sale than FPJ?

i find this very curious.

FPJ probably has a much more liquid market than Moser and it’s been around as a brand longer too.

Everyone is saying that there are a lot more FPJ in the secondary market, is it an observation or there is some tracking site which does track each brand’s listing? When l look at watchbox and EWC, it does not seem like they have more inventory than before. Prices are softer though.

Just an anecdotal data point here, it looks like allocation is still quite tight. My wife has a CS on her wishlist but was declined. It was actually quite surprising but alas…

I am happy I got my wish though

[soulsea]

The way to gage supply and demand is price.

“A lot” is not a data point.

I haven’t looked because it doesn’t really matter to me bit I would venture to guess that most if not all FPJs are being sold over msrp and most if not all HMCs are being sold for under.

The only way to say with certainty that a YouTube video has affected the market is to have real transactional data points and then superimpose them to the overall trajectory of the watch market. Then you can start drawing some conclusions. Without that data it’s all just ‘eyeballing’ the market and ‘feelings ’ that things have changed for whatever reason one wants to insert.

As far as the supposed recent events, unless we’re talking about heinous criminal acts I am able to separate art from the artist.

[EEpro]

32 FPJ for sale right now on forums. Equivalent would be 35,555 Rolex for sale.

There are 15,185 Rolex for sale right now on forums so it seems they are >2x expected value based on units per year.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by EEpro

32 FPJ for sale right now on forums. Equivalent would be 35,555 Rolex for sale.

There are 15,185 Rolex for sale right now on forums so it seems they are >2x expected value based on units per year.

Hail Boilermakers!

May I inquire which forum has 32 FPJ listed? And are they all mechanical models?

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Hail Boilermakers!

May I inquire which forum has 32 FPJ listed? And are they all mechanical models?

Haha. Boiler up!

It was just my BS attempt at quantifying the feel of "lots" of FPJ for sale. It does at first glance appear to have merit.

A few were elegante and a couple were accessories.

https://marketplace.watchcharts.com/...d/f.+p.+journe

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by llngoc

I am happy I got my wish though

Congrats! Oh yes, if you love 'em get 'em and wear 'em

A guess, yet it's possibly due to guys like (or listen to) Shark Tank's Mr. Wonderful who bought on speculation of easy profits, so with the top in it's time to sell. Normal ebb and flow.

Less-hyped enthusiast loved brands we get 'em to wear 'em tend to not be as affected ??? Don't see many Kari V for sale, H. Moser... very few Torsti Laine, etc.

We do indeed live in interesting times.

[dchang81]

Not really sure you can compare Laine and voutilainen numbers with journe. That's like comparing apples with socks.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Haha. Boiler up!

It was just my BS attempt at quantifying the feel of "lots" of FPJ for sale. It does at first glance appear to have merit.

A few were elegante and a couple were accessories.

https://marketplace.watchcharts.com/...d/f.+p.+journe

Elegante is not in the 800-1000 pieces per year which got throw around a lot. The quoted production number is for mechanical pieces only. I think someone mentioned that there is another 600-700 pieces of Elegante per year on this forum before.

I will not be surprised that more entry level models like CS or Automatique are coming into the secondary market. They are probably bought by a lot of people entering the brand under the presumption that when they do not like it (or get tired of it), they can always sell for a profit. And as they see the profits getting slimmer, they may want to bail first.

Unfortunately the waitlist at the boutique is still quite long for anything. I was surprised that the wait for a CO is now 10+ years due to very low production. Probably more production is diverted to very popular ones like RQ. As both are complicated and the CO may even be more so. (I think someone just posted that Rexhep was working on RQ but not "allowed" to work on CO)

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Elegante is not in the 800-1000 pieces per year which got throw around a lot. The quoted production number is for mechanical pieces only. I think someone mentioned that there is another 600-700 pieces of Elegante per year on this forum before.

Last I heard, Elegante production is about 400 per year.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

Last I heard, Elegante production is about 400 per year.

Thanks for the clarification.

[tigerpac]

Rexhep wasn't there during the RQ. Older resonance though yes. So not sure which is more difficult for the watchmakers. Both amazing pieces regardless.

Originally Posted by llngoc

Elegante is not in the 800-1000 pieces per year which got throw around a lot. The quoted production number is for mechanical pieces only. I think someone mentioned that there is another 600-700 pieces of Elegante per year on this forum before.

I will not be surprised that more entry level models like CS or Automatique are coming into the secondary market. They are probably bought by a lot of people entering the brand under the presumption that when they do not like it (or get tired of it), they can always sell for a profit. And as they see the profits getting slimmer, they may want to bail first.

Unfortunately the waitlist at the boutique is still quite long for anything. I was surprised that the wait for a CO is now 10+ years due to very low production. Probably more production is diverted to very popular ones like RQ. As both are complicated and the CO may even be more so. (I think someone just posted that Rexhep was working on RQ but not "allowed" to work on CO)