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RC2 · 30 January 2016, 08:57 PM

Luke. I just checked your website and ig. Impressive. I am sure your career will be very good to you. Love the passion wish more young folks had it. Good luck and I look fwd to watching you. Rich

chris7703 · 30 January 2016, 09:06 PM

I do think the right PR moves for LR should have been:

1) Apologize and admit mistake if there is no convincing evidence that the dial is 100% original.
2) Clarify the "buyer got refund from Bob Maron" part.
3) And stop asking mods to take down the thread. It makes people think you want to cover it up.

Watchcollectables · 10 February 2016, 03:12 AM

Dial is refinished , bezel insert is wrong as is the appraisal .
Theres one thing worse that being talked about and thats not being talked about according to Mr Oscar Wilde . I sort of disagree on this account...

MonBK · 11 February 2016, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Dial is refinished , bezel insert is wrong as is the appraisal .
Theres one thing worse that being talked about and thats not being talked about according to Mr Oscar Wilde . I sort of disagree on this account...

I agree.

When dishonest dealers are involved you can't warn enough and I think it deserves being talked about.

dstacy · 11 February 2016, 10:50 PM

Matdaytona · 11 February 2016, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

I agree.

When dishonest dealers are involved you can't warn enough and I think it deserves being talked about.

chadstone30 · 10 February 2016, 02:01 PM

I loved every minute of this. Going to subscribe in case anything further comes to light.

gmg_3 · 13 February 2016, 03:26 PM

id love to see a good pic of the dial.

MonBK · 14 February 2016, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmg_3

id love to see a good pic of the dial.

Hopefully Luke Rottman who says he's eager to protect his reputation can come back and show us some?

dstacy · 14 February 2016, 05:37 AM

Obsessed.

MonBK · 19 February 2016, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstacy

Obsessed.

To expose liars and shady dealers, you bet!

Daytona4130 · 17 February 2016, 07:41 AM

Wish I would have turned up sooner. I certainly enjoyed reading. Definitely interesting

Rick In Canada · 17 February 2016, 08:57 AM

Reading this tonight was some of the best entertainment I have had in weeks!! I was on the sellers side for a while but he really talked me out of ever considering doing business with him as this went on.. I would have loved to have seen better pics of the dial as well as it really does look wrong to my eye..

Matdaytona · 17 February 2016, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick In Canada

Reading this tonight was some of the best entertainment I have had in weeks!! I was on the sellers side for a while but he really talked me out of ever considering doing business with him as this went on.. I would have loved to have seen better pics of the dial as well as it really does look wrong to my eye..

Rick you are correct this needs to be sorted macro shots for the pics would be needed if it was me I would do in a heartbeat ignoring this thread and hoping it goes away isn't going to happen anytime soon

RolexAuthority · 19 February 2016, 05:33 AM

Luke's vanished - Luke where are you lol

MonBK · 23 February 2016, 08:33 PM

Bump while waiting fo pictures.

Haywood_Milton · 24 February 2016, 07:36 AM

Luke Rottman (founder and executive editor of www.thewatchadviser.com) has apparently logged into the forum today.

As this thread has been the focus of his 18 posts so far (under that name, at least) one might reasonably think that he has checked in to see what is being said about him and that 6202.

If all those who were satisfied with the explanations (such as they were) have now stopped checking this thread, perhaps the many who were not can wait and hope that further detail is forthcoming.

If someone wants to be a dealer or credible writer in the world of higher-end Rolex, especially if they embrace the internet, they might expect accountability to be sought when it hits the fan on a relevant forum. Being "too tired" to respond to reasonable questions on a continuing thread about yourself and a high value watch you supplied might not cut it for many. It puzzles me.

I would love to see a response that dispelled any negative conclusions, which may be all that many are left with at this moment.

H

Matdaytona · 27 February 2016, 05:51 PM

"car 54 where are you"

Matdaytona · 2 March 2016, 08:37 PM

LUKE the force is not with you

Haywood_Milton · 2 March 2016, 09:04 PM

He logged into this forum again earlier today.

MonBK · 6 March 2016, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

He logged into this forum again earlier today.

Yes, I noticed that as well.

I have a feeling that's the last we'll see of him.

Matdaytona · 12 March 2016, 01:12 AM

bump nearly forgot about this not!!!!!!!

MonBK · 20 April 2016, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matdaytona

bump nearly forgot about this not!!!!!!!

So did I, any sign of Luke Ratman yet?

Matdaytona · 21 April 2016, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

So did I, any sign of Luke Ratman yet?

I bet we've made master ratman's day by bringing this up I'm sure he's been on as a guest to check oh well bumpity bump

speedolex · 21 April 2016, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matdaytona

bump nearly forgot about this not!!!!!!!

Discovering this was the greatest 30 minutes of my life.

Widows Son · 21 April 2016, 02:30 AM

Forget about the watch, I'm still trying to fathom how a 16 year old can own a business and enter into contracts??? Maybe he's emancipated??? In most states a minor can't enter into a business transaction without his parent's being involved. If they can't buy or sell a $500.00 car, how can they do the same with a $12,000 watch??

MILGAUSS88 · 22 April 2016, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Widows Son

Forget about the watch, I'm still trying to fathom how a 16 year old can own a business and enter into contracts??? Maybe he's emancipated??? In most states a minor can't enter into a business transaction without his parent's being involved. If they can't buy or sell a $500.00 car, how can they do the same with a $12,000 watch??

There is no legally binding contract to purchase watches. Cars require a contract. So, no laws would cover a purchase of a watch. No legal difference than buying a Timex from Wal-Mart. Just add a few zeros to the price. You don't expect them to be ID'ed for that do you?

I was dealing in antiques before my 16th birthday. (Which lead me to watches.) All you have to do is pay for the item.
CASH IS KING.

If someone is paying you $12,000 in cash, I don't think they are going to assume you are 15 anyway. (Inside the watch industry is pretty much an all cash business.)

themaninblack · 22 April 2016, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

There is no legally binding contract to purchase watches. Cars require a contract. So, no laws would cover a purchase of a watch. No legal difference than buying a Timex from Wal-Mart. Just add a few zeros to the price. You don't expect them to be ID'ed for that do you?

I was dealing in antiques before my 16th birthday. (Which lead me to watches.) All you have to do is pay for the item.
CASH IS KING.

If someone is paying you $12,000 in cash, I don't think they are going to assume you are 15 anyway. (Inside the watch industry is pretty much an all cash business.)

In most jurisdictions a contract, put simply, has 3 elements.

1. An offer – this may be made when you decide to buy something and offer to pay a price.
2. An acceptance – this may be done by the seller agreeing to supply the goods or services. The acceptance may be in words or a written agreement or correspondence.
3. Consideration – this is the value (usually money) that is given in return for the goods or services offered to be supplied or acquired. It may also be the promise to pay at a later date after certain events occur or procedures are followed.

In many jurisdictions minors cannot be legally bound by a contract.

Mark020 · 21 April 2016, 06:19 AM

I assume something with handing over cash?

Haywood_Milton · 21 April 2016, 07:31 AM

Same time next month?

30 January 2016, 08:57 PM	#1
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Luke. I just checked your website and ig. Impressive. I am sure your career will be very good to you. Love the passion wish more young folks had it. Good luck and I look fwd to watching you. Rich __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

24 February 2016, 07:36 AM	#17
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	Luke Rottman (founder and executive editor of www.thewatchadviser.com) has apparently logged into the forum today. As this thread has been the focus of his 18 posts so far (under that name, at least) one might reasonably think that he has checked in to see what is being said about him and that 6202. If all those who were satisfied with the explanations (such as they were) have now stopped checking this thread, perhaps the many who were not can wait and hope that further detail is forthcoming. If someone wants to be a dealer or credible writer in the world of higher-end Rolex, especially if they embrace the internet, they might expect accountability to be sought when it hits the fan on a relevant forum. Being "too tired" to respond to reasonable questions on a continuing thread about yourself and a high value watch you supplied might not cut it for many. It puzzles me. I would love to see a response that dispelled any negative conclusions, which may be all that many are left with at this moment. H __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 March 2016, 09:04 PM	#20
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	He logged into this forum again earlier today. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

21 April 2016, 07:31 AM	#30
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	Same time next month? __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

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30 January 2016, 09:06 PM	#2
chris7703 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Taipei Posts: 4	I do think the right PR moves for LR should have been: 1) Apologize and admit mistake if there is no convincing evidence that the dial is 100% original. 2) Clarify the "buyer got refund from Bob Maron" part. 3) And stop asking mods to take down the thread. It makes people think you want to cover it up.

10 February 2016, 03:12 AM	#3
Watchcollectables "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK Posts: 320	Dial is refinished , bezel insert is wrong as is the appraisal . Theres one thing worse that being talked about and thats not being talked about according to Mr Oscar Wilde . I sort of disagree on this account...

11 February 2016, 10:50 PM	#5
dstacy Banned Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Who cares? Location: Texas Watch: A few Posts: 451

10 February 2016, 02:01 PM	#7
chadstone30 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: New York Watch: 116710LN, 18238 Posts: 117	I loved every minute of this. Going to subscribe in case anything further comes to light.

13 February 2016, 03:26 PM	#8
gmg_3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: jersey Posts: 102	id love to see a good pic of the dial.

14 February 2016, 05:37 AM	#10
dstacy Banned Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Who cares? Location: Texas Watch: A few Posts: 451	Obsessed.

17 February 2016, 07:41 AM	#12
Daytona4130 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Jack Location: 'Murica Watch: HBO:) Posts: 1,363	Wish I would have turned up sooner. I certainly enjoyed reading. Definitely interesting

17 February 2016, 08:57 AM	#13
Rick In Canada "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 22	Reading this tonight was some of the best entertainment I have had in weeks!! I was on the sellers side for a while but he really talked me out of ever considering doing business with him as this went on.. I would have loved to have seen better pics of the dial as well as it really does look wrong to my eye..

19 February 2016, 05:33 AM	#15
RolexAuthority Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: London Posts: 1,233	Luke's vanished - Luke where are you lol

23 February 2016, 08:33 PM	#16
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Bump while waiting fo pictures.

27 February 2016, 05:51 PM	#18
Matdaytona "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mat Location: Somerset uk Watch: Rolex daytona Posts: 574	"car 54 where are you"

2 March 2016, 08:37 PM	#19
Matdaytona "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mat Location: Somerset uk Watch: Rolex daytona Posts: 574	LUKE the force is not with you

12 March 2016, 01:12 AM	#22
Matdaytona "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mat Location: Somerset uk Watch: Rolex daytona Posts: 574	bump nearly forgot about this not!!!!!!!

21 April 2016, 02:30 AM	#26
Widows Son "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hudson Ohio Posts: 3,564	Forget about the watch, I'm still trying to fathom how a 16 year old can own a business and enter into contracts??? Maybe he's emancipated??? In most states a minor can't enter into a business transaction without his parent's being involved. If they can't buy or sell a $500.00 car, how can they do the same with a $12,000 watch??

21 April 2016, 06:19 AM	#29
Mark020 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,133	I assume something with handing over cash?

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