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19 July 2010, 12:41 AM | #151 |
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Thanks for the documentation Danny!
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19 July 2010, 12:48 AM | #152 |
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20 July 2010, 02:54 AM | #155 |
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Just got a call back from Rolex USA! The facts are that the dial has a brass base and is coated with a "gold metal mixture." Rolex will not disclose just exactly what that mixture is but they do state that there is elemental gold in the mixture. But, the base is brass just like the MOP dials.
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20 July 2010, 03:19 AM | #157 |
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Hmm..to an extent...so basically the dial is not gold...so how do they get round the UK hallmarking law and describe it as "gold"...I am either missing something obvious..or very intrigued!....
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Quite simple because the gold content is well under 1 gram in weight, under that weight no hallmark is needed.Don't forget they still sell gold paint in the UK plus many other things described as gold that have no real gold content.
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wow a 6 page thread based on JJ's opinion started by someone else lol
If that doesn't speak to the level of respect on this forum I'm not sure what does!
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Therefore if they describe it as "gold" is should be gold...if not they should describe it as "gold plated"..for example. If what you say is true I can buy 1kg of brass add less than 1g of gold and sell it as a gold bar..which is impossible....its the whole reason the law was introduced to stop innocent people being decieved...as has happened in this case...the description was "gold" therefore people assumed it was "gold" when in fact it turnes out it is not. The gold paint argument isnt really valid as I dont think you could really decieve any sane person by selling them some paint as "gold" Again I could be wrong....but I really dont think in the UK that dial can be legally described as "gold"
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Maybe because of 2 things: 1, the term is "green gold" and not gold (but that does seem to be somewhat inconsistent with the law) and 2, there is undoubtedly less than 1 gm of gold.
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The gold paint argument isnt really valid as I dont think you could really decieve any sane person by selling them some paint as "gold"
Again I could be wrong....but I really dont think in the UK that dial can be legally described as "gold"[/QUOTE] Please keep in mind, the person I spoke with at Rolex USA did not use the term "paint." She said there was elemental gold in the "special Rolex coating" on the dial of the watch. Although I was never told the term, I got the impression this was possibly some kind of plating process as opposed to a painting process. |
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Therefore it should be described as "gold plated " Not "gold" ??
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I understand Danny. I find the whole thing very puzzling. I hope we learn more from JJ's AD or my AD.
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I understand that you're being somewhat facetious about the black/white Padi but do you think the whole "green gold" term is simply hype and not some kind of process similar to anodizing aluminum?
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20 July 2010, 05:59 AM | #171 |
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Have to agree there. Calling it gold is a total misnomer!!
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Well in the Basel press release that I have posted several times Rolex did state Dial Surface Green Gold.Perhaps thats Rolex speak for Green Gold Plate,remember it takes 12 months to make a Rolex Oyster more Rolex speak.As for hype or good marketing yes,thats something that Rolex has been very good at over the many years,take the ceramic and parachrome brilliant bits of pure brain washing marketing.
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Yes, I noticed the "surface" comment in the press kit. I was just puzzled why they would have discontinued that when they produced the detail info on the site.
At any rate, you do raise some valid points about the parachrome and ceramic; duly noted! |
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If you are in Canada and state that something is gold it must be at least 9k pure or 37.5% gold. Yes there are many items that use the word gold in them but there is a difference in some respects. When you walk into any licensed, bonded.....insured jewelry store in Canada and something is advertised as gold.....it MUST be hallmarked and contain a certain purity. So let's say rolex is selling a green gold dial at an ad that is fully bonded, and insured.......if that dial is not 37.5% gold they are breaking the law. Rolex will definitely have to change the wording on this as there are strict rules when it comes to precious metals in many countries.
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I've gotta believe that Rolex is a capable enough marketing organization, as well as a responsible corporation, to be aware of these international laws and not be violating them. I hope we learn more from JJ's AD and mine soon.
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On the rolex price list for the new 2010 models it states that the dial is green gold. If it were not of applicable gold purity it can not be called gold. Why not just call it green?
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20 July 2010, 09:40 AM | #178 |
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mmm... How about getting in touch with the local authority to find out exactly if Rolex has broken any rules by using the term "green gold"... In the UK and Canada for an example...
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An interesting topic with some great replies.
It is amazing though how many members on here seem to be either an expect on the law or base metels!!!!! Do you seriously think Rolex would be set them selves up for letigation over a description of their watch?, they are a massive corparation with tons of Lawers, no doubt their legal team know exactly what the law is in each of the countries where the watch will be sold. Perhaps those that are so convinced that Rolex is telling lies, should contact Rolex UK (where they seem to be breaking the law!!) and threaten legal action for false advertising?? I haven't a clue what the dial is made off (like most here), whether or not it is actually Gold that is green or some cleaver word play, perhaps it was mined from the planet krypton. |
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I think $500 difference is not a matter for LV lovers. As a matter of fact, the previous MSRP for 16610 LV is also around $400- 500 more expensive than 16610. Agreed with the statement that no matter what the price Rolex put, there will always be customers paying those sums of money without regret.
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