Where is the IWC Genta Ingenieur?

[~JJ]

Unpopular opinion, but really disappointed and it looks like a mess to me. The case, bracelet and bezel have zero subtle contour similar to what you find on a sub 2k piece. However, the dial (assume stamped) and hands are sharp. Awesome PR. Hard pass for me.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by ~JJ

Unpopular opinion, but really disappointed and it looks like a mess to me. The case, bracelet and bezel have zero subtle contour similar to what you find on a sub 2k piece. However, the dial (assume stamped) and hands are sharp. Awesome PR. Hard pass for me.

I mean the design is not really new so shouldn’t be a surprise. We all knew an Ingenieur is going to look like this lol


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I mean the design is not really new so shouldn’t be a surprise. We all knew an Ingenieur is going to look like this lol


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I'm still waiting for some side by sides of his $2,000 watch vs the pics in post 188

[~JJ]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I mean the design is not really new so shouldn’t be a surprise. We all knew an Ingenieur is going to look like this lol

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As I said unpopular opinion, I was expecting an evolution while maintaining dna. Glad most like it

[IS2000]

They are nice looking watches. The price is kind of steep for an IWC but when compare to something Genta designed like the new 37mm AP ROs (which recently switched to 3rd party movements). Then the value is decent.

[gaheris]

I know the Ingenieur has a better dial and I have lusted after it for years, but I can't look at it the same way after finding out the price and knowing the existence of Citizen 870 NA1000.

The 870 has a magnetic resistance of 16,000 A/m. Should be enough for most engineer jobs

[EEpro]

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

Nice post. I like this watch and am on the list for the Aqua. To me it does a good job of sticking to its roots with just enough modern touches.

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

great research

i have the aquatimer that has this movement, pretty solid. workhorse movement. if you want a pretty movement, go for AP/PP

rolex movements ain't great looking either because its main functionality is accuracy and its ability to work for many years without any intervention.

[djtheot]

Thank you for posting this, I have been reading with amusement the contagion that is the 'ITS TOO EXPENSIVE' brigade without really understanding any of this. I think its at the upper end of what I thought it would land and without having the watch in hand and taking the the time to step back and understand it it is easy to throw out the accusation IWC are being greedy. I think they have done a great job, I have high horology steel pieces with movements that only have 60hours power reserve, no hacking seconds etc that are multiples of this IWC. Its competitive with Alpine Eagle and similar whilst getting you a genuine piece of Genta magic. I think this one will grow in popularity once the sticker price shock wears off. IWC should control supply tightly and allow this one to simmer. Flood the market and I agree with others that you might see secondary prices hurt the brand equity.

Originally Posted by EEpro

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by djtheot

Thank you for posting this, I have been reading with amusement the contagion that is the 'ITS TOO EXPENSIVE' brigade without really understanding any of this. I think its at the upper end of what I thought it would land and without having the watch in hand and taking the the time to step back and understand it it is easy to throw out the accusation IWC are being greedy. I think they have done a great job, I have high horology steel pieces with movements that only have 60hours power reserve, no hacking seconds etc that are multiples of this IWC. Its competitive with Alpine Eagle and similar whilst getting you a genuine piece of Genta magic. I think this one will grow in popularity once the sticker price shock wears off. IWC should control supply tightly and allow this one to simmer. Flood the market and I agree with others that you might see secondary prices hurt the brand equity.

as far as i heard, these are mostly allocation pieces to current clients first.
don't think they are going to mass produce this, especially with such a dial, although stamped, still needs a good amount of work.

[Inseconds99]

The most expensive and usually the most highly regarded/coveted 3 hand AP RO’s use a JLC movement, any complaint there?

[Emery]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

The most expensive and usually the most highly regarded/coveted 3 hand AP RO’s use a JLC movement, any complaint there?

The Jumbo is now in-house.

It also only has 2 hands

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by Emery

The Jumbo is now in-house.

It also only has 2 hands

Haha true, def only a 2 handed. Also, my point was, JLC was and is still more coveted, which is the opposite of an in house movement.

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Haha true, def only a 2 handed. Also, my point was, JLC was and is still more coveted, which is the opposite of an in house movement.

lol the new caliber 5900 is a vaucher based movement. what a joke and they are charging 2 times the rrp of a iwc

[EEpro]

JLC is a bad ass watch, clock, and movement company. Having that under the hood is preferable to an unproven movement in my mind.

I remember how it felt to have my $14,700 datejust losing 15 seconds a day while my 2006 ETA Omega 300m was keeping +0.1 more than 10 years after it's last service.

I like that AP went to a finished Vaucher in their 37mm. Perhaps bucking the trend.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

JLC is a bad ass watch, clock, and movement company. Having that under the hood is preferable to an unproven movement in my mind.

I remember how it felt to have my $14,700 datejust losing 15 seconds a day while my 2006 ETA Omega 300m was keeping +0.1 more than 10 years after it's last service.

Exactly, everyone complaining about this rock solid ETA movement that’s now been refined multiple times by IWC. While also offering a 5 day power reserve.

It’s not like they took the movement off the shelf, did nothing, slapped it into a basic case and charged 11k.

[Inseconds99]

Another piece of information that I just learned and confirmed…

The Aqua dial has polished center links, all others are brushed.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Another piece of information that I just learned and confirmed…

The Aqua dial has polished center links, all others are brushed.

Not to sound like a jerk, but all the pictures of the watches already show this.

I'll show myself out now for being a jerk.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Not to sound like a jerk, but all the pictures of the watches already show this.

I'll show myself out now for being a jerk.

You’re right, it was starting me right in the face but I never noticed it lol. I know others haven’t as well either, just bringing it to light is all.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Not to sound like a jerk, but all the pictures of the watches already show this.

I'll show myself out now for being a jerk.

... the PCLs on the aqua getting ridden like the village bicycle were already scratched up in the WW vids

[adrian2017]

Hi!
I heard that the earliest delivery will be by end of May. (Not for Ti)

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by adrian2017

Hi!
I heard that the earliest delivery will be by end of May. (Not for Ti)

Outstanding news! Thanks

[ts3]

I still think this is a reasonably good effort. At 40mm x 10.7mm the watch should wear well and I don't mind the lack of a display back or the movement. Also, I couldn't care less about the absence of strap options as most sports watches look much worse on a strap in my eyes (with the VC Overseas just one example). On the cons side I could do w/o those crown guards. Overall, the design is a little more aggressive than I'd have liked which makes the watch more sporty but also less elegant than some of the higher-end "competition".

In terms of pricing they are obviously trying to capitalize on the recent Genta hype. Better late than never from their perspective I guess. But I cannot remember the earlier Genta inspired Ingenieurs from the 2000s and 2010s being priced 2x as high as the corresponding Mark series on bracelet.

[trackingtime]

https://youtu.be/8y8RBOew61E

great interview by wei koh

[EEpro]

Pic of the day

They even got the double batons straight which seems to be hard for AP.

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by EEpro

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Pic of the day

They even got the double batons straight which seems to be hard for AP.

very nice and they color matched the date wheel

[EEpro]

A micro adjust clasp is available. CEO Christoph has confirmed it. 5 mm adjustability clasp.

Available later this year at boutique if desired.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

A micro adjust clasp is available. CEO Christoph has confirmed it. 5 mm adjustability clasp.

Available later this year at boutique if desired.

Do you have a link to that?

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Do you have a link to that?

https://youtu.be/YFxFrFLFmf0

Christoph makes a good joke about an episode about the crown guards at the end