Do not buy from beckertime

[offrdmania]

They flip watches for profit. He has 3 listed because it is a very common entry level watch and he is being lazy taking pictures of all 3. They are all the same. Maybe a few different little dings but nothing that would jump out im sure. They most likely do a basic polish and refurb/cleaning to the watch before selling it so that it is presentable. Do your homework, price seems a bit high to me but I havent researched what that exact model sells for retail. If all else fails you have ebay on your side and you could always return the watch for a refund if you arent satisfied on your dime. If it is listed incorrectly then beckertime would have to pay return shipping.

[Louis de Funes]

thanks for pointing that out to me I did not even notice this

much appreciated

Originally Posted by 1jracing

"Rolex is under no obligation to warranty-service watches sold by Beckertime through its service locations" is at the very bottom of the watch write-up in the link you supplied.

I can understand the warranty portion but not the service portion - good luck

[Louis de Funes]

thanks for the feedback

I just needed to hear a few people on this subject and it pretty clear that I will stay away from them.

better safe than sorry

Originally Posted by offrdmania

They flip watches for profit. He has 3 listed because it is a very common entry level watch and he is being lazy taking pictures of all 3. They are all the same. Maybe a few different little dings but nothing that would jump out im sure. They most likely do a basic polish and refurb/cleaning to the watch before selling it so that it is presentable. Do your homework, price seems a bit high to me but I havent researched what that exact model sells for retail. If all else fails you have ebay on your side and you could always return the watch for a refund if you arent satisfied on your dime. If it is listed incorrectly then beckertime would have to pay return shipping.

[xjeeunitx]

Beckertime is known to swap parts out from numerous watches. Just look at all of the watches without papers...

[Louis de Funes]

they even use that as a selling point

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

Beckertime is known to swap parts out from numerous watches. Just look at all of the watches without papers...

[Vapechic]

Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Next time give the seller the opportunity to respond and rectify the situation before blasting them.

I agree..

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Vapechic

I agree..

Out of all the threads on the forum you picked this one for your first post?

[ryansoulsit]

Originally Posted by MonBK

Out of all the threads on the forum you picked this one for your first post?

[crowncollection]

Well he just bumped and old thread back to top for all to see


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[Porschepusher83]

This is my first post and I rolled my eyes at that lol . Becker has always been stand up far as I know


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[MikeyTX]

I have to look at the irony in this thread. Beckertime has been around for quite some time. They are simply a gray market reseller. As has been mentioned in this thread, as such, once they verify that the watch is a genuine Rolex, it is not their obligation to do a total disassembly to ascertain that each and every screw, spring, jewel, etc is Rolex. Any more than it would be my obligation if I bought a genuine Rolex, wore it and then sold it as do any number of our forum members for whatever reason. Becker is pretty damn descriptive in their listings. I'm starting to wonder if some of the buyers are so star gazed that they are not reading the descriptions in full or worse, asking questions. Becker does list their contact phone number along with hours of operation in each and every listing. http://stores.ebay.com/Beckertime?_t...p2047675.l2563

[jvmartin]

With 20,781 transactions thus far it seems like there is a niche there they are fulfilling...

[Porschepusher83]

Originally Posted by jvmartin

With 20,781 transactions thus far it seems like there is a niche there they are fulfilling...

My feelings exactly buddy


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[Watchcollectables]

I was looking through their stock and I found a few questionable items like this Datejust with a claimed original refinished dial . I do not feel this is an original dial as the coronet at 12 is firstly in the wrong position and secondly a badly stamped copy. Why would a dial refinisher swap out an original Coronet , replace it with a copy and then redrill the dial to fit it when the dial has holes already that the small pins on the back of the Coronet slot into ! Maybe it's just been stuck on but it certainly isn't right . I was looking at some of the Sub and Day-Date dials that are similar that don't even fit properly .
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201613676577

[MikeyTX]

Here in the states when a factory dial is refinished the original components are removed and discarded. The replacement coronet is glued to the dial surface as are the mountings for the diamonds unlike a factory produced dial with said accoutrements which as you mentioned are pinned via the mounting holes. It is done as such for legal reasons. If the company doing the refinishing were to copy exactly as it were done by Rolex, they could be charged with counterfeiting.

[Watchcollectables]

Yes but it's advertised as an original refinished dial . I'm sorry but I am unable to grasp your argument. If you are removing acutrements as you say and re printing the trademark ' Rolex ' on the dial and adding an aftermarket Coronet how does that change the argument . Surely by keeping the originals you have a more original dial and therefore the counterfeit argument is negated .
I have seen hundreds of copy dials and good refinished I shed ones and the majority out there tend to be 100% copies .
I would also argue that purposefully making coronets to put on dials is far worse than using the original !

[daveo5]

Purchased a Rolex OQ , model 17014 some months ago. My first time buying from Beckertime. No complaints. As an aside. Rolex Oyster Quartz are not counterfeited because of the complexity.

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by daveo5

Purchased a Rolex OQ , model 17014 some months ago. My first time buying from Beckertime. No complaints. As an aside. Rolex Oyster Quartz are not counterfeited because of the complexity.

It's more down to popularity .

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Yes but it's advertised as an original refinished dial . I'm sorry but I am unable to grasp your argument. If you are removing acutrements as you say and re printing the trademark ' Rolex ' on the dial and adding an aftermarket Coronet how does that change the argument . Surely by keeping the originals you have a more original dial and therefore the counterfeit argument is negated .
I have seen hundreds of copy dials and good refinished I shed ones and the majority out there tend to be 100% copies .
I would also argue that purposefully making coronets to put on dials is far worse than using the original !

They did not lie. The original dial was refinished at some point by a prior owner. That owner chose to go that route rather than purchase a new dial directly from Rolex. I will have to do the same if I want a Serti style dial for my 116613LN as they are no longer produced by Rolex. Will not be the first time it's been done and it won't be the last. In fact, the remanufactured dials are all over eBay.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Yes but it's advertised as an original refinished dial . I'm sorry but I am unable to grasp your argument. If you are removing acutrements as you say and re printing the trademark ' Rolex ' on the dial and adding an aftermarket Coronet how does that change the argument . Surely by keeping the originals you have a more original dial and therefore the counterfeit argument is negated .
I have seen hundreds of copy dials and good refinished I shed ones and the majority out there tend to be 100% copies .
I would also argue that purposefully making coronets to put on dials is far worse than using the original !

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

They did not lie. The original dial was refinished at some point by a prior owner. That owner chose to go that route rather than purchase a new dial directly from Rolex. I will have to do the same if I want a Serti style dial for my 116613LN as they are no longer produced by Rolex. Will not be the first time it's been done and it won't be the last. In fact, the remanufactured dials are all over eBay.

What are you two arguing about? The dial is reconditioned, which means it's not original, but the seller tells you it's a recon in the description. The methods and techniques used to produce the recon dial are wholly irrelevant to this sale. The only way to make it relevant is to claim that one recon technique is more valuable than another, which is not the case here.

The buyer has been made aware that they aren't getting a factory original dial by the sellers use of the verbiage "custom refinished dial". Outside WISdom, most folks only care about how it looks, not whether it came from the factory looking that way. Those people are Becker Time's market, not long time WIS.

Buyers need to read Becker Time descriptions carefully. They replace a lot of components with aftermarket parts. But, they name the parts in the text of the description. I don't see how Becker Time can be inferred to be any less honest than Bamford or any other watch customizer.

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

What are you two arguing about? The dial is reconditioned, which means it's not original, but the seller tells you it's a recon in the description. The methods and techniques used to produce the recon dial are wholly irrelevant to this sale. The only way to make it relevant is to claim that one recon technique is more valuable than another, which is not the case here.

The buyer has been made aware that they aren't getting a factory original dial by the sellers use of the verbiage "custom refinished dial". Outside WISdom, most folks only care about how it looks, not whether it came from the factory looking that way. Those people are Becker Time's market, not long time WIS.

Buyers need to read Becker Time descriptions carefully. They replace a lot of components with aftermarket parts. But, they name the parts in the text of the description. I don't see how Becker Time can be inferred to be any less honest than Bamford or any other watch customizer.

That's kind of what I was trying to say. A reconditioned dial is simply that.

[Watchcollectables]

You really have missed my point !

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

You really have missed my point !

Refinishing dials is like reconditioning engine blocks. They strip everything off the carcass down to bare metal, then reapply color and the new bits. As long as the carcass is an original part, it's an "original refinished dial". The "refinished" verbiage tells you it's not factory.

Whether they met Rolex quality standards in the process varies wildly. But that doesn't make it dishonest. It just makes it easier to pay less for the watch.

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Refinishing dials is like reconditioning engine blocks. They strip everything off the carcass down to bare metal, then reapply color and the new bits. As long as the carcass is an original part, it's an "original refinished dial". The "refinished" verbiage tells you it's not factory.

Whether they met Rolex quality standards in the process varies wildly. But that doesn't make it dishonest. It just makes it easier to pay less for the watch.

Well stated. You said it better than I. Thank you

[Danny83]

Beckertime sold me a fake twice.....

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Danny83

Beckertime sold me a fake twice.....

Not saying they didn't. However, can you backup your statement with hard copy documentation ?

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

Not saying they didn't. However, can you backup your statement with hard copy documentation ?

Do you work for Beckertime?

[Danny83]

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

Not saying they didn't. However, can you backup your statement with hard copy documentation ?

It happened in 2012 with a datejust completely fake, after I called him he exchanged me for a 11613lb that had an aftermarket bracelet. Dont have a way to prove it I still have the box that the POS came in though

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Do you work for Beckertime?

No. I drive a commercial rig locally. I am simply concerned over such a broad statement. It is sop to be able to back up one's post with documentation when asked. Or, in the initial post. That is why I asked.

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Danny83

It happened in 2012 with a datejust completely fake, after I called him he exchanged me for a 11613lb that had an aftermarket bracelet. Dont have a way to prove it I still have the box that the POS came in though

Sucks that that happened. I guess that is one of the many reasons I've stuck with our forum sellers. I've never once had an issue.