Got my booster today

[Tricolore66]

I agree, but I completely understand the reaction and suspicion of many. The narrative has been “follow the science” yet the message has been inconsistent and politics clearly playing into all aspects of this.

Throw in news reports of vaccine makers profiting $1000 per second (!) while politicians are pushing mandates while building their personal wealth insider trading pharma stocks, and I’m shocked there’s not a lot more pushback.

Wrap your head around $1000 a second profit off a vaccine that the govt paid the R&D for. You probably can’t print money any faster.

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

As a retired NHS consultant physician, I hesitate to post in this thread. I would advise people to follow mainstream medical advice and get the vaccine unless there is a compelling reason not to.

Some people seem to think there is a global conspiracy led by shadowy figures who are never identified (apart from Bill Gates for some reason). "Big Pharma" is mentioned a lot, along with "sheeple" and calls to "wake up". The agenda seems to be global depopulation or somesuch. There is an overlap with Q Anon, and the anti-mask people.

Do I really need to point out the ludicrousness of those ideas?

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

Wrap your head around $1000 a second profit off a vaccine that the govt paid the R&D for. You probably can’t print money any faster.

Taken a step further, the government has no money that hasn’t been given to it by its citizens. So, even as people are purportedly dying wholesale, they still get the pleasure of paying twice.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

I agree, but I completely understand the reaction and suspicion of many. The narrative has been “follow the science” yet the message has been inconsistent and politics clearly playing into all aspects of this.

Throw in news reports of vaccine makers profiting $1000 per second (!) while politicians are pushing mandates while building their personal wealth insider trading pharma stocks, and I’m shocked there’s not a lot more pushback.

Wrap your head around $1000 a second profit off a vaccine that the govt paid the R&D for. You probably can’t print money any faster.

the narrative should always be to follow the science. The issue is with more data that comes in the science obviously has to change, that seems to be what people don't understand. Sometimes you come up with a scientific theory and the data backs it up and you can maintain the original theory, other times you come up with a theory and the data shows the original theory was off, so you end up needing to change the original theory.

The fact that the theory has changed over the course of time with improved data should help support and show how science actually and is supposed to work. Other people just go down a weird path of all of the scientific community must be lying. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If people paid attention in grade school science class the world would be much better off.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

the narrative should always be to follow the science. The issue is with more data that comes in the science obviously has to change, that seems to be what people don't understand. Sometimes you come up with a scientific theory and the data backs it up and you can maintain the original theory, other times you come up with a theory and the data shows the original theory was off, so you end up needing to change the original theory.

The fact that the theory has changed over the course of time with improved data should help support and show how science actually and is supposed to work. Other people just go down a weird path of all of the scientific community must be lying. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If people paid attention in grade school science class the world would be much better off.

Exactly. People complain that "The scientists keep changing their minds". Well, that's exactly what scientists do!

I was taught at medical school that half of what I was being taught was wrong, problem was they didn't know which half.

[Atone]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Exactly. People complain that "The scientists keep changing their minds". Well, that's exactly what scientists do!

I was taught at medical school that half of what I was being taught was wrong, problem was they didn't know which half.

Ha! Love that last part. It’s honest and humble. “We will learn more, and when we do we will embrace it”. Sounds like a reasonable way to do things.

[Dr Process]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Exactly. People complain that "The scientists keep changing their minds". Well, that's exactly what scientists do!

I was taught at medical school that half of what I was being taught was wrong, problem was they didn't know which half.

So true.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

the narrative should always be to follow the science. The issue is with more data that comes in the science obviously has to change, that seems to be what people don't understand. Sometimes you come up with a scientific theory and the data backs it up and you can maintain the original theory, other times you come up with a theory and the data shows the original theory was off, so you end up needing to change the original theory.

The fact that the theory has changed over the course of time with improved data should help support and show how science actually and is supposed to work. Other people just go down a weird path of all of the scientific community must be lying. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If people paid attention in grade school science class the world would be much better off.

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Exactly. People complain that "The scientists keep changing their minds". Well, that's exactly what scientists do!

I was taught at medical school that half of what I was being taught was wrong, problem was they didn't know which half.

well said on both accounts.

[rlj676]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Exactly. People complain that "The scientists keep changing their minds". Well, that's exactly what scientists do!

I was taught at medical school that half of what I was being taught was wrong, problem was they didn't know which half.

The scientists have brought this on by their behavior and only acknowledge this fact after the change. They stated things unequivocally and have to back track. The terminology used isn’t one of “hypothesis” because that would be less convincing (ie sell)
- the vaccine is declared safe with no long term study period.
- the study clearly didn’t understand even 6 months later as we now learn boosters are a necessity
- what actual scientist claims “I represent science” and expects to be taken seriously?

The vaccine may provide improved survival for 3-6 months. However it is not risk free. So why is this critical it’s taken by people with 99.99x percent survival or those who have already recovered and have natural immunity which all studies indicate surpass the vaccine in effectiveness and length. This is what raises huge red flags. If they were upfront on risk and acknowledged a targeted need for at risk people like me would agree that is actual science.

FYI the Pfizer docs they wanted hidden for 55 years are now being released due to court order. There were over 1200 deaths caused by vaccine (reported) by Feb, and 23 out of 270 pregnancies ended in spontaneous abortion. This sort of risk profile is acceptable for high risk but not for a 17 year old, as I don’t believe there is a single 0-17 death from Covid (ie no comorbidity).

The instance of heart problems amongst healthy people is too alarming for this one size fits all forced solution.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

the narrative should always be to follow the science. The issue is with more data that comes in the science obviously has to change, that seems to be what people don't understand. Sometimes you come up with a scientific theory and the data backs it up and you can maintain the original theory, other times you come up with a theory and the data shows the original theory was off, so you end up needing to change the original theory.

The fact that the theory has changed over the course of time with improved data should help support and show how science actually and is supposed to work. Other people just go down a weird path of all of the scientific community must be lying. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If people paid attention in grade school science class the world would be much better off.

The problem is that unfortunately there are those who are actively trying to take advantage of this for various reasons to shape a different narrative. If certain things I heard are correct for example you have at least one media outlet preaching one thing but practicing another.

[azs.77]

Can’t wait to get ours in Canada. One less thing to worry about.


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[austinp]

Covid sure has given crazy people cover to freely express their crazy.


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[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by austinp

Covid sure has given crazy people cover to freely express their crazy.


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I agree with you 100 percent, I also feel the internet did a lot for people to freely express their crazy as well.

People have no fear anymore about expressing their terrible opinions because everyone is behind a keyboard now. Most people would not dare say what they type if a person was right in front of them.

[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

I agree with you 100 percent, I also feel the internet did a lot for people to freely express their crazy as well.

People have no fear anymore about expressing their terrible opinions because everyone is behind a keyboard now. Most people would not dare say what they type if a person was right in front of them.

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[OYptL]

This is as a political thread as could be without being a political thread.

[superdog]

just an update on my current covid folks.

the old man is on the mend and has been taken off the ventilator.

the other guy, my buddy, his whole family got it. they are all on the mend as well.

thrilled all around.

[rlj676]

Originally Posted by superdog

just an update on my current covid folks.

the old man is on the mend and has been taken off the ventilator.

the other guy, my buddy, his whole family got it. they are all on the mend as well.

thrilled all around.

Good news and actually important vs the thread full of all sorts of stuff!

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by superdog

just an update on my current covid folks.

the old man is on the mend and has been taken off the ventilator.

the other guy, my buddy, his whole family got it. they are all on the mend as well.

thrilled all around.

That is good news, I hope you are all coping well. You will all be exhausted with worry. This is the best news.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by superdog

just an update on my current covid folks.

the old man is on the mend and has been taken off the ventilator.

the other guy, my buddy, his whole family got it. they are all on the mend as well.

thrilled all around.

Good news!!!

Here's to continued improvement.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Good news!!!

Here's to continued improvement.

X2


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[airchitect]

I’ve only had the first as I had a reaction to it so the md told me to pump the brakes on #2. Dunno what I’m supposed to do once all of my antibodies from Covid and that shot run out.


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[dnd2984]

Just got mine today... Might as well let the office know I won't be in tomorrow.

[Knappo 1307]

Since covid came on the scene, what happened to the common flu?

[RyanJ]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Since covid came on the scene, what happened to the common flu?

The flu was unusually low for the 20-21 flu season. The mask wearing, staying home, hand washing, etc all helped with that.

Some light reading:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-f...-2020-2021.htm

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Since covid came on the scene, what happened to the common flu?

Things like that don't disappear they just become a lot less important.


Pandemic vs regular ordinary run of the day Flu.


They still give the Flu Shot. I got mine at the same time I recieved my booster shot.

[rlj676]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Things like that don't disappear they just become a lot less important.


Pandemic vs regular ordinary run of the day Flu.


They still give the Flu Shot. I got mine at the same time I recieved my booster shot.

Flu went from 40k-60k deaths a year to 0. That isn’t becoming less important it’s just an inaccurate pcr test that can’t differentiate. A test that isn’t valid after end of this year for this reason it seems.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2...Testing_1.html

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by rlj676

Flu went from 40k-60k deaths a year to 0. That isn’t becoming less important it’s just an inaccurate pcr test that can’t differentiate. A test that isn’t valid after end of this year for this reason it seems.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2...Testing_1.html

This ^^

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Things like that don't disappear they just become a lot less important.


Pandemic vs regular ordinary run of the day Flu.


They still give the Flu Shot. I got mine at the same time I recieved my booster shot.

Bingo, the flu doesn't sell, Covid does Baby...

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by leatherjacket4

Nice

Thank you for your riveting response. You now have 11 posts of one word responses to your name. Please go away....

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Thank you for your riveting response. You now have 11 posts of one word responses to your name. Please go away....

Too funny

[Brenngun]

Originally Posted by superdog

I wouldn’t want to be this guy…

I’d so much prefer to err on the side of caution. I just see way too many stories like this.

RIP sir.

Just nature thinning the herd Seth.

Originally Posted by daveathall

I must come across as cold, cold hearted and I do struggle with my feelings, but I have absolutely no sympathy for this man whatsoever. Where I struggle is, surely I should have some feelings, but I don't. I feel for his family and for those who have followed his lead and died or got seriously ill, but I have none for him. Am I the only one here?

You're not alone Dave.

Originally Posted by Neom

Was it necessary for the article to mention "the christian who was against vaccines" in the title? This is just provocative and material of propaganda for people to go get vaccinated. This is also plain wrong. Just mention the guy's name and that he died of covid. No one cares whether he was against covid or christian.

If it is who he was why is it a problem to state it? "Provocative and material of propaganda" only works on people lacking critical thought capabilities.

Originally Posted by dddrees

Fair game considering his profession. Christian Broadcaster. I'm assuming he professed this philosophy or beliefs to his followers as well.

Would agree.

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Wednesdays stats from one hospital

16 Covids admitted (4 icu)
15 Non vaccinated
1 One Pfizer dose only
No fully vaccinated admitted .

Today at 24 total admitted .No break down available yet .

People can choose whatever statistics they want to believe or dispute. These are the statistics I choose to believe. To ignore or dismiss them would be folly. Oh and I also trust and believe in my doctor's advice. Call me crazy but I follow it.