Do not buy from beckertime

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Danny83

Beckertime sold me a fake twice.....

How did they get you twice Danny?

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Refinishing dials is like reconditioning engine blocks. They strip everything off the carcass down to bare metal, then reapply color and the new bits. As long as the carcass is an original part, it's an "original refinished dial". The "refinished" verbiage tells you it's not factory.

Whether they met Rolex quality standards in the process varies wildly. But that doesn't make it dishonest. It just makes it easier to pay less for the watch.

Thank you for explaining the obvious which really wasn't needed . Being in the trade I think I am well versed in the intracies of Rolex watches but for the sake of my original observations my points are as follows:
1. Bearing in mind it is illegal to make items that infringe a companies trademark why would a dial refinisher make and then stick on a sub standard Coronet to a supposedly original refinished dial ?
2. If the dial was an original dial why not re apply the original Coronet to it? After all it would be more original refinished than the other option .
My overall take is that a big percentage of these dials are not original Rolex base dials that have been refinished but 100% aftermarket .
Legally, printing Rolex on an unoriginal dial is trademark infringement as is making the Coronet and using it on a dial .
So this refinished tag in many cases is just a smoke screen imho

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Thank you for explaining the obvious which really wasn't needed . Being in the trade I think I am well versed in the intracies of Rolex watches but for the sake of my original observations my points are as follows:
1. Bearing in mind it is illegal to make items that infringe a companies trademark why would a dial refinisher make and then stick on a sub standard Coronet to a supposedly original refinished dial ?
2. If the dial was an original dial why not re apply the original Coronet to it? After all it would be more original refinished than the other option .
My overall take is that a big percentage of these dials are not original Rolex base dials that have been refinished but 100% aftermarket .
Legally, printing Rolex on an unoriginal dial is trademark infringement as is making the Coronet and using it on a dial .
So this refinished tag in many cases is just a smoke screen imho

So is the dial you're talking about an original dial or a complete fake?

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by MonBK

So is the dial you're talking about an original dial or a complete fake?

That's the big question !

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Thank you for explaining the obvious which really wasn't needed . Being in the trade I think I am well versed in the intracies of Rolex watches but for the sake of my original observations my points are as follows:
1. Bearing in mind it is illegal to make items that infringe a companies trademark why would a dial refinisher make and then stick on a sub standard Coronet to a supposedly original refinished dial ?
2. If the dial was an original dial why not re apply the original Coronet to it? After all it would be more original refinished than the other option .
My overall take is that a big percentage of these dials are not original Rolex base dials that have been refinished but 100% aftermarket .
Legally, printing Rolex on an unoriginal dial is trademark infringement as is making the Coronet and using it on a dial .
So this refinished tag in many cases is just a smoke screen imho

Save your condescending remarks, absolutely no one is impressed....

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

That's the big question !

Yes, that was my question to you.

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

How did they get you twice Danny?

He like the first one so much that he buy one more.

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by MonBK

Yes, that was my question to you.

Just after sensible comments and opinions really . There's are hundreds and hundreds of dials like this and it's an interesting topic.
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[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Just after sensible comments and opinions really . There's are hundreds and hundreds of dials like this and it's an interesting topic.
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Very true. I've seen numerous so called Rolex Serti type dials for sale on eBay that were in fact remanufactured dials using an actual used Rolex factory dial with a new face and markings applied. I've no doubt that the party doing the refinishing did so in a way as to CYA against any litigation.

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

Very true. I've seen numerous so called Rolex Serti type dials for sale on eBay that were in fact remanufactured dials using an actual used Rolex factory dial with a new face and markings applied. I've no doubt that the party doing the refinishing did so in a way as to CYA against any litigation.

But how do you know it's a factory original dial ?

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

But how do you know it's a factory original dial ?

For someone that professes to be knowledgeable in the watch business, you should know the answer to the question you've asked before hand. As such, I'm truly to the point of believing that you are not as you say you are.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

For someone that professes to be knowledgeable in the watch business, you should know the answer to the question you've asked before hand. As such, I'm truly to the point of believing that you are not as you say you are.

I'm pretty sure he's not a watchmaker.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=71839

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by MonBK

I'm pretty sure he's not a watchmaker.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=71839

That was almost heartbreaking to read. Steve M. was so watch literate and talented when it came to watch knowledge. To see him go over life's cliff as he did saddens me almost as badly as losing JJ.

[watchabout]

Originally Posted by vadcrealestate

i bought a Rolex from their website a little over a year ago. It's always fast. I contacted them and they said, "Sure, send it to us and we'll look at it". Yeah right, i'm going to send you my watch and you're going to charge me an arm and a leg to get it back IF it's really the same watch. Today, it's stopped running all together. They sucK!

So you bought a used watch and it had issues, you contacted the seller who told you he was willing to fix it and then you decided against sending it and somehow they suck?

Do you understand basic common sense?

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Thank you for explaining the obvious which really wasn't needed . Being in the trade I think I am well versed in the intracies of Rolex watches but for the sake of my original observations my points are as follows:
1. Bearing in mind it is illegal to make items that infringe a companies trademark why would a dial refinisher make and then stick on a sub standard Coronet to a supposedly original refinished dial ?
2. If the dial was an original dial why not re apply the original Coronet to it? After all it would be more original refinished than the other option .
My overall take is that a big percentage of these dials are not original Rolex base dials that have been refinished but 100% aftermarket .
Legally, printing Rolex on an unoriginal dial is trademark infringement as is making the Coronet and using it on a dial .
So this refinished tag in many cases is just a smoke screen imho

Perhaps you've not watched someone refinish a dial?

Rolex burnishes the marker pins to the dial. If the markers aren't removed carefully by an expert, they are damaged. Burnishing new markers also requires specialized expertise. While dial restorers and some dial makers will perform this work expertly, they do so for a dear sum of money.

It's faster, cheaper, and easier to chip the old bits off, then glue down new markers. The dial is still an original part.

[BNA/LION]

I won't, Thanks!

Danny-Sorry to hear you got hosed twice.

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

For someone that professes to be knowledgeable in the watch business, you should know the answer to the question you've asked before hand. As such, I'm truly to the point of believing that you are not as you say you are.

My question was directed at yourself so my knowledge doesn't come into things , when a rhetorical question is asked . How any watchmaker or expert could tell a genuine Rolex base dial has been used when it is mounted on a watch I don't know which is why I posted this addition to this thread but for some reason you seem to want to defend the practise without any correct logical argument and get slightly personal over it too . Thanks.

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by MonBK

I'm pretty sure he's not a watchmaker.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=71839

Because almost 8 years ago I asked questions about a Tudor I wasn't sure about! At that time I hadn't seen many .

[wiggindude]

Don't mean to resurrect an old thread but I saw a Rolex Datejust that I like on Beckertime but the pictures they have are files pictures not pictures of the actual watch described in the description. I asked them in two separate emails to see if they can take some pictures of the actual watch and they say they couldn't. Buyers beware.

[MikeyTX]

Funny they would not comply with your request.

[wiggindude]

Yea, I thought that was strange. No reason why they can't take a few pictures, even with their iPhone.

[dnptrs]

Another "buyer beware". Been a lurker here for a bit and have been in the market for a platinum dial 16622. Figured my ebay message exchange with beckertime should go here. It starts fine, then goes sour when asking for simple information that all other sellers I've spoken to have given immediately without the "20 questions" game. Enough for me to write about it and forever turn the other way:

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Your previous message:
Hello,

I'm looking for a M serial number or newer. Do any of your platinum 16622 meet that?

Thanks!

beckertime:
Thank you for your email. We do not have any M series available...my apologies.

Your previous message:
Thank you for the response. Which serials (letter) do you have available?

beckertime:
Thank you for your email. We have early 2000 models available.

Your previous message:
What counts as early 2000s? I would guess that many of your Rolex buyers would appreciate this specific information over a vague range of year reference. Especially given your reputation.

2006 D OR Z
2005 D
2005 F
2004 F
2003 F
2002 Y
2001 K OR Y
2000 K,000,001
2000 P,000,001

beckertime:
Early 2000's is 2000-2003.

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[dmash]

Lol I’m sorry, but how is that ‘going sour’? Perhaps he has multiple within the 2000-2003 timeframe?

[JayB]

Originally Posted by dnptrs

It starts fine, then goes sour

How dare they, actually answering your question, just who do they think they are?



Unless there is something missing from the post, giving the nature of your last message to them I'm surprised they even bothered to reply, I wouldn't have.

[J_1964]

Geez, How Old is this Thread? Not Dead Yet?

[imperio]

Originally Posted by dnptrs

Another "buyer beware". Been a lurker here for a bit and have been in the market for a platinum dial 16622. Figured my ebay message exchange with beckertime should go here. It starts fine, then goes sour when asking for simple information that all other sellers I've spoken to have given immediately without the "20 questions" game. Enough for me to write about it and forever turn the other way:

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Your previous message:
Hello,

I'm looking for a M serial number or newer. Do any of your platinum 16622 meet that?

Thanks!

beckertime:
Thank you for your email. We do not have any M series available...my apologies.

Your previous message:
Thank you for the response. Which serials (letter) do you have available?

beckertime:
Thank you for your email. We have early 2000 models available.

Your previous message:
What counts as early 2000s? I would guess that many of your Rolex buyers would appreciate this specific information over a vague range of year reference. Especially given your reputation.

2006 D OR Z
2005 D
2005 F
2004 F
2003 F
2002 Y
2001 K OR Y
2000 K,000,001
2000 P,000,001

beckertime:
Early 2000's is 2000-2003.

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[J_1964]

I might "Turn Sour" too if you said to me "Especially given your reputation."

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by dnptrs

Especially given your reputation.

Ouch. Effective and responsive communication is a two way street.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Ouch. Effective and responsive communication is a two way street.

That poster is correct, the conversation did turn sour, with his condescending remarks at the end. Now I understand!

[dakota.destiny]

Uuhmm.