Rare rolex submariner 5513 spider dial

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Has anyone seen one of these before ?
http://cgi.ebay.fr/UNIQUE-RARE-ROLEX...ht_4917wt_1167

[1000ftSub]

What the.......

[Welshwatchman]

I've seen these before.

It takes a good angle to make them look this dramatic though. Still, quite cool.

I've seen one go for £2800 so this one is a tad pricey.

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

I've seen these before.

It takes a good angle to make them look this dramatic though. Still, quite cool.

I've seen one go for £2800 so this one is a tad pricey.

Thank you Paul for the info ,
Were they made like that or is it one of those " faulty " things that become collectors like the "Patrizzi dial" with the paint turning brown ?

[RLXSTR]

Hmmmm. I actually had a 18K/SS Sub come in a few weeks ago with a black dial and at an angle it looked like a woodgrain finish. I was leary and didn't buy the Rolex even though it had box & papers. It was an "A" serial number.

Note: Didn't buy it as the guy wanted retail for the watch.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Thank you Paul for the info ,
Were they made like that or is it one of those " faulty " things that become collectors like the "Patrizzi dial" with the paint turning brown ?

Certainly a flaw during the manufacturing process or type of material used causing it to crack or "spider" as several other subs/gmt dials are prone to.

[harry in montreal]

That is certainly a paint defect also known as crazing. i like weathered black dials - but not on something glossy and new like that. i would be shocked if it commanded a premium. harry

[Earl]

I disagree Harry, go out and find more than a fist full I mean it, there are not very many of these dials out there and if there are not many ppl talk about them. I also, have a as you call it crazing I call it crackle but, it's the spider web effect on the dial of my 5513. I had a picture of it and now fail to find it grrrr I'll not get it replaced anytime soon ;-)

[stusrt]

I was bidding on a GMT "fat lady" with that spider dial effect a couple years ago.
I stopped at around $3k - forgot what it finally when for.

I think it's a really cool effect

[stusrt]

I found it -
this is a perfect example! - same watch from 2 different angles.

http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=261855&rid=0

[TheBluePrince]

Cool effect.

[Earl]

I just took these with the camera phone but needs natural sun light I thinks... Although you can't see the cracks there are there pretty much like the GMT pictures just posted.. found my snapshot of the crackle!

[springer]

There is a buyer for everything!!!

[harry in montreal]

hi earl,
the way i look at those, there is a defect in the paint or the maybe the glossy clear. i agree it is interesting, but i would expect it to degrade over time and impact the movement. forgive me, i am in the art business, and i see this all teh time with oil paintings taht were in dry environments, or when the canvas was unstable. anyway, my point is that i like original dials even when dammaged. i would find it very amusing if this brings a premium. harry

[Earl]

Fair enough Harry :-)

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

the way i look at those, there is a defect in the paint or the maybe the glossy clear.

you are correct, quote from "Mike"

Originally Posted by mike

The mid 80's references did experience a problem with "spidering" due to a flaw in the paint mixture and many of these dials were replaced. Again Rolex used what was available and certainly maxi dials used at first on 5.5 mil to 6.75ish 5513s were also used as replacement dials.

from thread http://www.rolexforums.com/newreply....eply&p=1344221

Yes, a flaw, but seemingly now collectable.....

[esspee1200]

great effect. i reply here since i just saw a submariner with no date like this in person. it looked a bit old as there was rust on the hands and the dial was a tad faded with a busted cyclops.

any idea what this may fetch now a days? and idea on the year rolex accidentally put these out?