Which models have the new Parachom Blu spring?

[jameshe]

Hi guys,

Just wondering whether my new V Series 36mm 116234 will have it.. I am assuming not as it is a cal. 3135, right? (I am by no means technical, I am assuming it is the standard universal oyster cal.)

I understand that the DDII and the DJII has it, but have they started equipping the new serials of the 'old models' with them?

From experience, do owners of each notice a difference in accuracy due to magnetic/vibration distortion?


Thanks guys

[t e x]

Some of the 16710 had the parachrom blu hairspring and the movement is the 3186 and of course the daytona. Not sure of other models and I just bought my first rollie and it's an LV. look forward to hearing from others on this topic.

[datejust1]

Yes, your DJ is a 3135. And I assume it has the parachom and the new balance bridge as well

Gaby

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by datejust1

Yes, your DJ is a 3135. And I assume it has the parachom and the new balance bridge as well

Gaby

Ah I see, that is great news Gaby - I wasnt so sure.

After buying the SD (a new 'old model' as I saw it) it would be nice to think that I have something that is bang up to date in terms of internals..

Of course, it is a datejust, and I realise that this is an equally 'historic' piece

[Luv rolex]

i was going to post a new thread for that matter, but as i heared that swatch group stopped providing rolex with parachrome so how the hell rolex still introducing v serials and newer (36mm DJ) with the old one not (blue parachrome hairsping)?????????????????

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by datejust1

Yes, your DJ is a 3135. And I assume it has the parachom and the new balance bridge as well

Gaby

Not too sure about that one, Gaby.

Larry (Tools) recently opened up a brand new late V-series Sub with the 3135 movement, but still found the exact same movement with no Blue spring at all.

JJ

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Not too sure about that one, Gaby.

Larry (Tools) recently opened up a brand new late V-series Sub with the 3135 movement, but still found the exact same movement with no Blue spring at all.

JJ

Hmm, interesting. I initially thought that this was the case

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by jameshe

Hmm, interesting. I initially thought that this was the case

I know..........I was a bit taken aback with surprise too; but Larry actually posted a picture of the movement from a new V-series Sub............and it's still the exact same 3135 - no changes whatsoever.

But who's complaining? That damn movement could go on forever!!

JJ

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by jameshe

Hmm, interesting. I initially thought that this was the case

To answer your original question, James......I think these new models are now fitted with the BLUE PARACHROM spring.

All the new GMT-IIC's.

New DJ2 and new DD2.

New Ceramic Subs - LN and LV

Possibly the newer Daytonas and also possibly the YM-II.

New Milgauss.

New Explorer 39 mm.

Can't think of any other.

JJ

[Fozzy]

Is the parachrom blu a direct replacement? What i'm getting at is, would this new spring be fitted to a movement originally fitted with the older type of spring if it was needed during a routine service, or will they still use the old type?

[Tools]

The basic 3135 still uses a Nivarox hairspring and one of our Rolex Techs (Ironstark) stated that Rolex will not be retrofitting older models..

My feeling is that, just like the 3185 was depleted and the 3186 becae the standard, so too I believe that the 3135 will be depleted and the 3135 w/Parachrom will become the standard..

As to seeing a difference, I would maintain that it would be impossible to notice a difference.. The mechanical watch is already ~99.995 % accurate (you can do the math), so even if a single part, such as the hairspring, were to even be improved by a thousand percent, at most it could only imrove overall accuracy up to ~99.996 %- and I would defy anybody to be able to preceive that change...

The only models that Rolex advertises as having the Parachrom:

Daytona
YM II
GMT II
DSSD
Day-Date II
Datejust II
Milgauss
Exp II
Sub Date ceramics
Explorer 39

but, they'll just start putting the in at some point, just like they did to the Exp II.... without telling anybody...

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

To answer your original question, James......I think these new models are now fitted with the BLUE PARACHROM spring.

All the new GMT-IIC's.

New DJ2 and new DD2.

New Ceramic Subs - LN and LV

Possibly the newer Daytonas and also possibly the YM-II.

New Milgauss.

New Explorer 39 mm.

Can't think of any other.

JJ

Thanks JJ. This sounds about right in my mind

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by Tools

The basic 3135 still uses a Nivarox hairspring and one of our Rolex Techs (Ironstark) stated that Rolex will not be retrofitting older models..

My feeling is that, just like the 3185 was depleted and the 3186 becae the standard, so too I believe that the 3135 will be depleted and the 3135 w/Parachrom will become the standard..

As to seeing a difference, I would maintain that it would be impossible to notice a difference.. The mechanical watch is already ~99.995 % accurate (you can do the math), so even if a single part, such as the hairspring, were to even be improved by a thousand percent, at most it could only imrove overall accuracy up to ~99.996 %- and I would defy anybody to be able to preceive that change...

The only models that Rolex advertises as having the Parachrom:

Daytona
YM II
GMT II
DSSD
Day-Date II
Datejust II
Milgauss
Exp II
Sub Date ceramics
Explorer 39

but, they'll just start putting the in at some point, just like they did to the Exp II.... without telling anybody...

Cheers Larry, comprehensive and concise answer. Great stuff

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by jameshe

Thanks JJ. This sounds about right in my mind

Thanks, buddy...............but read Larry's reply one post above and you will get the facts.

I forgot to include the DSSD and all the new Exp-IIs with the 3186 movement.

JJ

[Lion]

Very interesting...Thanx for the information!!!

[SLS]

The Daytona received the PBH when it changed over to the in house cal. 4130. It wasn't until recently that Rolex started making a big deal about it.
Scott

[Tools]

Originally Posted by SLS

The Daytona received the PBH when it changed over to the in house cal. 4130. It wasn't until recently that Rolex started making a big deal about it.
Scott

I agree... they turned it blue (it wasn't originally), and really began the advertising blitz with the 2005 release of the GMT IIc..

..... It is a lesson in marketing.. They had to change as Nivarox FAR would no longer be supplying springs after 2010, but Rolex advertised the change as if it was a breakthrough of some sort that they had just invented, and the buying public has eaten it up as miraculous with magical qualities..

It is simply a replacement hairspring made in-house........ really....


Just like they are now advertising 904 steel more heavily than they did before..

[Luv rolex]

so,in the future how could rolex fix my parachrom if it was broken are they going to fit the same or fit the blu parachrom in it? i mean are we talking about a large stock from the older ones or what ? iam not crazy about blu ones but just wanna know my datejust survival chances in the future

[SDDS]

great info

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Luv rolex

so,in the future how could rolex fix my parachrom if it was broken are they going to fit the same or fit the blu parachrom in it? i mean are we talking about a large stock from the older ones or what ? iam not crazy about blu ones but just wanna know my datejust survival chances in the future

I think that you just mean hairspring. Parachrom is Rolex name for their new compound Blue spring... efore they started making a Parachrom hairspring, found only in new models, before Parachrome hairsprings they were Nivarox hairsprings..

You need not worry. There are probably many years worth of spares available.. when those run out, Rolex will likely make replacements using their own Parchrom Blu process and provide watchmakers a kit to fit them if necessary...

[simonthepilot]

According to Rolex.com the Explorer 1 and II do have the parachrom hairspring, hmm - I wonder from which series if true. Looking to buy a new Explorer 1, and would very much appreciate new techical gadgets..

[WatchnRoll]

Is this new spring that much of an improvement over the older style?

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by WatchnRoll

Doesn't the Deep Sea have the new spring?

Yes, it does. In fact, I've amended my post further down the line.

Also, all the new Exp-IIs and some of the GMT-II 16710 fitted with the 3186 calibre would naturally have the blue spring.

JJ

[WatchnRoll]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Yes, it does. In fact, I've amended my post further down the line.

Also, all the new Exp-IIs and some of the GMT-II 16710 fitted with the 3186 calibre would naturally have the blue spring.

JJ

WOW JJ you were fast...I saw your other post...edited my post and yet you still saw the old one...

[rfknauss]

Originally Posted by jameshe

Cheers Larry, comprehensive and concise answer. Great stuff

X2 ..... Thanks for the info Larry.