Honest comfort opinions: Sub No Date vs. Sub Date on the wrist?

[Eric88]

Hey folks,

I am not trying to create a new debate over these two watches. I have a small wrist and benefit from every gram of weight and smaller bracelets etc. I have been looking closely at my Sub LV and thinking about making a change for a no date Sub...however, I may be misguided if there is nominal difference between the two. I know the Sub No Date (aka 14060M or 5513) has the non-SEL bracelet and is a mm or two less thick...but does it make a big difference on your wrist?

I don't have both to do a side-by-side comparison. I love my Sub LV but have also been really digging the way my 16700 GMT Master feels on my wrist with a new 93150 bracelet. If I could get the same feeling from a no date Sub, I'd probably switch the Sub LV in a hot moment.

Any thoughts here? Thanks!

[SubKing]

if you're trying to compare vintage to modern, then vintage is more light yes. feels more like tin almost. it is also a bit smaller compared to a modern rolex sub that feels much more solid and heavey.. i love vintage so i love the difference...

vintage is not for everyday i will say...

[Eric88]

Thanks SubKing, I am not necessarily going modern vs. vintage but more of a comparison sought between the Date and No Date models. So let's open this up to modern vs. modern = 16610 vs. 14060M or vintage vs. vintage = 1680 vs. 5513. I'm really curious to see what you guys think about the differences or lack thereof in wearing a Date vs. No Date Sub.

I also may be interested in swapping my modern Sub Date to a vintage Sub Date e.g. 16610 vs. 1680 and curious how differently these wear on the wrist. Thanks!

[Blue Lantern]

I've owned both--the Sub nd is definitely lighter, and noticeably so in my opinion. My wrists are around 6.75, and every gram of weight matters to me. It's part of the reason I switched back to the no-date myself.

[Lion]

Eric, I own a Sub ND(14060M) but not a regular Sub( I do own a GMT-II) Pepsi) and really enjoy how it fits on my wrist. I too have small wrists...6 1/4 inch and find it to be very comfortable...Btw I wear my watches with the dial on the underneath side of my wrist!!!

[Gerardus]

I owned both, and I like the looks of the ND.
But for me my watch has to have a date function.
Thats why I never wore an Daytona....

[gold canyon]

The sub date is a great watch -- durable and comfortable. The ND sub is so similar that the difference between the two watches would have to be minimal (although I could be wrong because I've never owned the ND). I like the SEL on the sub date and also (and obviously) the date feature that I prefer.

[Andad]

There is only about 8 grams difference between the latest Sub date and the 14060M and I can't feel the difference on my wrist.


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Thank you for the info and great pix Larry.

I wear my 14060M daily on a NATO. Weighs 88 grams.

The bracelet sits in the box - only take a few minutes to but it back on.

IMO the slightly less weight doesn't make up for the lack of a date.

The symmetry of the dial is the attraction for me.

[superb]

For those with super small wrist, around 6.3. you might want to consider the fact that you will need to break a link from the 6 o'clock bracelet and that link will be not able to put back on. I just bought one 4 days ago for my wife and rolex service center told us that this is the only option to fit. Bummer!

To top it off, we were told that the crystal has a scratch at the 11 - 12 oclock position and is only visible at certainly light condition but they will replace it for free after i show them the warranty card. So much for quality control.

[superb]

oh, not to forget that they warned us that they do not guarantee the bracelet after a link is broken.

[mc1010]

Originally Posted by superb

For those with super small wrist, around 6.3. you might want to consider the fact that you will need to break a link from the 6 o'clock bracelet and that link will be not able to put back on. I just bought one 4 days ago for my wife and rolex service center told us that this is the only option to fit. Bummer!

To top it off, we were told that the crystal has a scratch at the 11 - 12 oclock position and is only visible at certainly light condition but they will replace it for free after i show them the warranty card. So much for quality control.

Since it's under warranty, will they be replacing the crystal with one that doesn't have the sideways "S" symbol?

[esm]

for me - our of these current non-ceramic variants, the Sub ND is the most comfort of the two.

simple and lighter! i love it

[Bullyterrier]

Its funny how peoples views vary.
I had the 14060M, I then got the 16610 LV and sold the 14060M.
I thought the LV felt a lot heavier and more substantial on the wrist, more comfortable albeit a little thicker, a better more solid bracelet (where the clasp/divers extension didn't hang).

[superb]

The lady at the counter told me that they are all new crystal even after i mention about those service crystal with the laser etched 'S' symbol. I dont know what to tell her.

I will find out tomorrow when i pick it up. Pretty upset about this i have to say.

Originally Posted by mc1010

Since it's under warranty, will they be replacing the crystal with one that doesn't have the sideways "S" symbol?

[mc1010]

Originally Posted by superb

The lady at the counter told me that they are all new crystal even after i mention about those service crystal with the laser etched 'S' symbol. I dont know what to tell her.

I will find out tomorrow when i pick it up. Pretty upset about this i have to say.

I'd be very upset if that happened to me. Let us know what they say.

[Kanger]

Anything on NATO is comfortable in my opinion.

[steubi1]

I owned the 14060, it is a very comfortable watch for daily wear!

But I need the date, so I changed to the 16610 which is only 8 grams more in weight.

BTW my wrist is 6.75".

Regards
Tom

[Eric88]

Excellent information, in particular the fact that there is just 8 grams difference between the 14060M and 16610. I think I'll hang tight with the 16610 and be happy with it!

[ral]

If the 16610 fits your wrist fine, I would keep the Date version. Always nice to have a Date. The main advantage in fit, in my opinion is the non-SEL bracelet. If your wrist are small it may fit you just a bit better since the bracelets "folds" down earlier.

[mjm800]

If you are going to get a no date go the extra mile and get a non-COSC, just for the clean dial and classic look.

As for feel my 14060 is very light and feels nice on my wrist but I don't think the differences are significant my Sea Dweller is comparable to a date sub and I don't see a big difference in comfort.

[sea-dweller]

I have both and no difference in weight or comfort.

[argabright]

Originally Posted by SubKing

vintage is not for everyday i will say...

Why not?

[sleddog]

Such a minimal difference in weight and comfort that I think you should just keep what you have.....
The ND is a fun watch and very clean looking,save up and get one oneday but hold onto your LV for now!! Both watches have a good future for them!

[travisb]

There is a noticeable difference to the two, especially on the wrist. i think it depends on who's wearing it. Although the ND is lighter, I find the Sub Date more comfortable to wear. Maybe it's the SELs. They are surely different enough to own both. I know many here do. Good luck