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Goiguidoc · 16 January 2011, 09:51 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Milgauss-R...item45f7df6427

Is this auction suspicious?
I find the case a bit thick.
In addition, 7 bidders retracted ("entered wrong amount"!!!)
This watch sells for above $60'000 and is so hard to find.
Why would someone sell it at no reserve?

Evergreen · 16 January 2011, 12:09 PM

You bring up a valid point. The case does not look as if it is old. The " scratches " and " dings " in the case look suspect as well. Its as if they were done intentionally. The rest of the watch looks good to me.

Rarely ever see these watches go out to bid. It is however an amazing piece.

It will be interesting to watch this auction.

kyle L · 16 January 2011, 12:54 PM

I don't think it's right, I saw some members on vrf talking about that auction.

kyle L · 16 January 2011, 12:57 PM

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...541+on+the+bay.....

onkyo · 16 January 2011, 03:18 PM

Not a good fake...... and the seller is a liar!

mcjp6 · 16 January 2011, 04:34 PM

Time to stop this nonsense listing.....

Goiguidoc · 16 January 2011, 08:43 PM

I'm not worried about the cheap fakes that are sold on Ebay or elsewhere.
They are "easy" to identify and thanks to advices on this forum one can spot the differences.
I'm worried about the high end quality ones that are made and so difficult to identify.

This particular Milgauss watch is very similar to another auction on Ebay and that was identify on this forum.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=5510+watchout

The patina, the scratches, everything looks similar.

It is so easy to fool people:
You chose a very rare Rolex model that is extremely difficult to find.
You then buy a fake case and you add real vintage Rolex spare parts.
The overall result looks very real.

I'm very concerned that this practice will continue on and on, as people have an incentive to do it. It is easier to sell one fake at $30'000 rather than 300 at $100!
With the rise of the middle classes in Asia, especially in China, the demand for vintage watches will increase dramatically (it is already the case). The production of fakes will follow the same pattern. What is going to happen when so many fake quality vintage watches will flood the vintage market? I'm sure this will kill the market and no one will want to buy vintage watches!

This auction might be removed from Ebay, but the people behind it will continue...

Thanks to this forum and the people how are active, we must all continue to stop this practice. Lets continue the fight!

Goiguidoc · 17 January 2011, 06:16 AM

Fake reported to Ebay, but still there!

TimeToGo · 17 January 2011, 06:41 AM

n00nes

Mosco · 17 January 2011, 12:19 PM

Check out one of the bid cancellations - this is hilarious:

Cancelled: US $15,200.00
Explanation: guy is a jag off
Bid: Jan-16-11 12:13:46 PST
Cancelled: Jan-16-11 14:34:21 PST

Goiguidoc · 17 January 2011, 05:15 PM

I saw that onw too !!!!!
Sad to see that the auction went through.
Poor buyer...I did what I could...

Rolex116520 · 17 January 2011, 06:39 PM

The auction can still be cancelled at a later stage . Atleast let's hope so .

CoopJr · 17 January 2011, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

n00nes

Those scratches look too fresh.

mcjp6 · 18 January 2011, 05:56 AM

Sold for #22k.......

May have to use the fingerlonger.....and see if we can invalidate this POS

Goiguidoc · 18 January 2011, 06:14 AM

Great to see that we all share the same objective.
Thanks to all of you.

Rolex116520 · 19 January 2011, 05:17 AM

It did get cancelled . Guess good news for the buyer that saved a bomb of money .

mcjp6 · 19 January 2011, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcjp6

see if we can invalidate this POS

Finally........

This listing (300511355943) has been removed, or this item is not available.

Goiguidoc · 19 January 2011, 08:24 AM

That's really good news.
It makes my day!
Thanks.

16 January 2011, 09:51 AM	#1
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Is this vintage Milgauss correct? http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Milgauss-R...item45f7df6427 Is this auction suspicious? I find the case a bit thick. In addition, 7 bidders retracted ("entered wrong amount"!!!) This watch sells for above $60'000 and is so hard to find. Why would someone sell it at no reserve?

17 January 2011, 06:41 AM	#9
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,735	n00nes Attached Images

17 January 2011, 12:19 PM	#10
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Check out one of the bid cancellations - this is hilarious: Cancelled: US $15,200.00 Explanation: guy is a jag off Bid: Jan-16-11 12:13:46 PST Cancelled: Jan-16-11 14:34:21 PST __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

18 January 2011, 05:56 AM	#14
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Sold for #22k....... May have to use the fingerlonger.....and see if we can invalidate this POS Attached Images

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16 January 2011, 12:09 PM	#2
Evergreen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: W. Washington Watch: Blancpain FF norad Posts: 203	You bring up a valid point. The case does not look as if it is old. The " scratches " and " dings " in the case look suspect as well. Its as if they were done intentionally. The rest of the watch looks good to me. Rarely ever see these watches go out to bid. It is however an amazing piece. It will be interesting to watch this auction.

16 January 2011, 12:54 PM	#3
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	I don't think it's right, I saw some members on vrf talking about that auction.

16 January 2011, 12:57 PM	#4
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...541+on+the+bay.....

16 January 2011, 03:18 PM	#5
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Not a good fake...... and the seller is a liar!

16 January 2011, 04:34 PM	#6
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Time to stop this nonsense listing.....

16 January 2011, 08:43 PM	#7
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	I'm not worried about the cheap fakes that are sold on Ebay or elsewhere. They are "easy" to identify and thanks to advices on this forum one can spot the differences. I'm worried about the high end quality ones that are made and so difficult to identify. This particular Milgauss watch is very similar to another auction on Ebay and that was identify on this forum. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=5510+watchout The patina, the scratches, everything looks similar. It is so easy to fool people: You chose a very rare Rolex model that is extremely difficult to find. You then buy a fake case and you add real vintage Rolex spare parts. The overall result looks very real. I'm very concerned that this practice will continue on and on, as people have an incentive to do it. It is easier to sell one fake at $30'000 rather than 300 at $100! With the rise of the middle classes in Asia, especially in China, the demand for vintage watches will increase dramatically (it is already the case). The production of fakes will follow the same pattern. What is going to happen when so many fake quality vintage watches will flood the vintage market? I'm sure this will kill the market and no one will want to buy vintage watches! This auction might be removed from Ebay, but the people behind it will continue... Thanks to this forum and the people how are active, we must all continue to stop this practice. Lets continue the fight!

17 January 2011, 06:16 AM	#8
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Fake reported to Ebay, but still there!

17 January 2011, 05:15 PM	#11
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	I saw that onw too !!!!! Sad to see that the auction went through. Poor buyer...I did what I could...

17 January 2011, 06:39 PM	#12
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	The auction can still be cancelled at a later stage . Atleast let's hope so .

18 January 2011, 06:14 AM	#15
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Great to see that we all share the same objective. Thanks to all of you.

19 January 2011, 05:17 AM	#16
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	It did get cancelled . Guess good news for the buyer that saved a bomb of money .

19 January 2011, 08:24 AM	#18
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	That's really good news. It makes my day! Thanks.

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