No Warranty on Rolex Serviced GMT ?

[bkandj2000]

Looking at this watch listed on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_1049wt_1148


Seller has posted this description:

"You are bidding on a fabulous watch with sharp egdes, crisp lines mirror finished edges. This piece is the best on ebay in my opionion.
Hologram is still on back of watch
From the crisp edges to the polished serfaces, this piece is second to none.
$ back guaranteed if timepiece does not match description.
Model: Rolex Submariner GMT II Water-Resistant official Swiss Chronometer; Automatic Movement

Condition: Factory fresh refurbished case and band, Cleaned and oiled. #1 Codition. Never worn since refreshing

Style: R16710B30B7870


Serial: D934xxx

Bracelet: Authentic Rolex Stainless Steel

Dial: Original, Color Black

Bezel: Authentic Rolex Blue and Red


Includes: Inner and outter boxs, papers, booklets, tags, and packaging material"



Notwithstanding the seller's multiple grammatical errors, he claims the watch has just returned from a complete service via ROLEX but no warranty?

Is there ever a case where an RSC serviced watch does not come back from service with a 1 or 2 yr warranty?

Cheers,

Blaine

[Rolex116520]

Where does the seller state it was RSC that serviced the watch ?

[mcjp6]

I am more concerned with the errors in his listing. The watch is a GMT yet the heading in the text area is " Rolex 40mm SubmarinerSerti Dial" and further down described as " Rolex Submariner GMT II".

Now he does have 10 other high end watches for sale, http://shop.ebay.com/dwgt5531/m.html...id=p4340.l2562 including three Rolex, and his photography skills appear excellent. Considering all this, his listing techniques can only be described as either sloppy or were made out of ignorance of the product and were cut and pasted from elsewhere and are scams.

He has NO previous selling feedback and now suddenly 10 watches worth around $28k; this is a little out of the ordinary.

seller id dwgt5531. He may be legit but I am going to dig around a little and see what turns up.....

[Rolex116520]

Well spotted , I must say that you are right : This deserves to be looked into a little extra .

[sullycape]

This guy is not far from me, and finding a pre owned Rolex in my area is difficult, all the jewelers I have talked to say they go very fast, which begs the question why is this guy selling them on Ebay?

[Wiley]

Take a look at his feedback as a buyer. Looks like he bought some high price watches and maybe he is a flipper??

[bkandj2000]

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Where does the seller state it was RSC that serviced the watch ?

Thanks for the replies, all... I'll send another ebay message and ask him if the service papers will be included with the sale and where the service was performed.

(Great points).

[Rolex116520]

Originally Posted by bkandj2000

Thanks for the replies, all... I'll send another ebay message and ask him if the service papers will be included with the sale and where the service was performed.

(Great points).

While you are at it , ask the seller for a couple more pictures and to put his username next to the watch . That will save Michael spending hours to try and source the pictures . What I expect he is doing at the moment .

[bkandj2000]

Originally Posted by rolex116520

while you are at it , ask the seller for a couple more pictures and to put his username next to the watch . That will save michael spending hours to try and source the pictures . What i expect he is doing at the moment .

*done*

[bkandj2000]

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Where does the seller state it was RSC that serviced the watch ?

Seller's message to me regarding the service papers and where serviced:

"Hi Blaine,
The piece was sent back to the retailer where it was purchased and they sent the watch to Rolex Factory to be servised. I believe the name is o.c. tanner in Salt Lake City, Ut.
Anyway, I didn’t keep the receipt. I didn't think that I would be selling it.
Again, rest assured this piece has remained pristine since the refurbishing. Pictures are of actuall timepiece.
Regards"

[Rolex116520]

That is not very helpful . Did you ask for more pictures ?

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Wiley

Take a look at his feedback as a buyer. Looks like he bought some high price watches and maybe he is a flipper??

Could be, but most are a while ago, makes me think that it could be a hijacked account. No luck with the photos yet.

The format of the listings is inconsistent ie the way the GMT ad is listed, red underlined sub headings looks identical to this scam site http://www.ioffer.com/i/mens-ro-le-x...6710-198224164 and is different to other listings in his portfolio.

stay tuned.

[RolexWatcher]

What is the seller's name? Is it just me or does the seller doesn't seem to know what he is selling?

[train-time]

The style of the pictures used in his listings are just too inconsistent to appear to have been taken by the same person and posted at the same time. They appear to be from a couple different sources. Usually when a seller has numerous for sale postings, all the pictures follow a consistent format. This fact, together with NO sales history and the $$ amount currently offered for sale causes me concern.

[RolexWatcher]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

Could be, but most are a while ago, makes me think that it could be a hijacked account. No luck with the photos yet.

The format of the listings is inconsistent ie the way the GMT ad is listed, red underlined sub headings looks identical to this scam site http://www.ioffer.com/i/mens-ro-le-x...6710-198224164 and is different to other listings in his portfolio.

stay tuned.

I also did searches on his wording as well and there is very similar wording from the scam site iOffer.com - same as you.

I just reported him on being a suspect and the similarity between his listings and the scam site ioffer.com. See what eBay says.

[Rolex116520]

Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

I also did searches on his wording as well and there is very similar wording from the scam site iOffer.com - same as you.

I just reported him on being a suspect and the similarity between his listings and the scam site ioffer.com. See what eBay says.

Very much doubt they will react based on just that . Still believe the best route is to ask for more pictures with some sort of ID next to it .
It is known that Ebay sometimes asks seller to provide proof of ownership .

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

What is the seller's name?

his ebay id is dwgt5531

This guy only ships to the US so I guess that is the reason why I am unable to ask him a question through ebay.

Is someone based in the US able to ask him for a picture to be posted in the ad of his GMT set to a particular time/date. As a buyer to a seller this is not an unreasonable request based on his feedback.

pls let us know his response.

[Rolex116520]

X2 , I go through an UK Ebay account and can not ask questions either .

[bkandj2000]

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

That is not very helpful . Did you ask for more pictures ?

Seller said he would send to my email (which I provided) but no response.

Seller adds name "Dwight" to communications now.

Too many inconsistencies for me to be seriously interested.

Thanks for all the great, informative posts guys!

-Blaine

[mcjp6]

Here is one he sold on 27th Feb. NO feedback yet posted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_885wt_1148

[tudorman8276]

...notwithstanding the possible listing screw-up, the listings look well supported and good pic's.

...and, the FB supports previous high end watch PURCHASES.

...gotta let the chips fall and see where they land....

...just for the record, we SHOULD follow the sales and look for FB from the buyers.

[bkandj2000]

Rolex Submariner GMT Pepsi Bezel
Item condition: Pre-owned
Ended: Mar 07, 201120:11:05 PST
Current bid:
US $4,145.00 [ 25 bids ]
Reserve pricenot met
Price: US $4,950.00
Shipping:
FREE USPS First Class Mail
Seller:
Member id dwgt5531 ( Feedback Score Of 18Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)

[Rolex116520]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...notwithstanding the possible listing screw-up, the listings look well supported and good pic's.

...and, the FB supports previous high end watch PURCHASES.

...gotta let the chips fall and see where they land....

...just for the record, we SHOULD follow the sales and look for FB from the buyers.

X2 , Not much that can be found to prove a scam is going on .
It would be a good idea to follow these closely .

[Grissom]

The scam, in cases such as these, usually comes NOW, after the auction ends without selling......now comes the eBay messages, and potentially the off eBay sale.....that is where the scam will manifest itself, if a scam is going to occur.....

One way to find out would be to contact the buyer, and inquire as to the status of the watch, and see where that goes.....

[MikeyMouseWatch]

anyway, i didn’t keep the receipt. I didn't think that i would be selling it.

Danger! Danger!
Will robinson!

[bkandj2000]

Guess if you don't sell it, raise the price by $1,000+ over your highest bid.

Now, that's a winning strategy!


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Rolex GMT Pepsi Bezel RED / BLUE
Never worn since factory refinished, cleaned & oiled
Item condition: Pre-owned
Time left: 9d 20h (Mar 22, 201117:26:46 PDT)
Price: US $5,199.00
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[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...just for the record, we SHOULD follow the sales and look for FB from the buyers.

We are Stan - and allegedly one has been sold with a simple "Thank you" left but no nonreciprocal feedback available because

"This member, watchtrader50, has decided to make their feedback comments private. "

Now he has eleven watches for sale again, including a red 1680 and he states in his listing "The close up of the dial shows the red lettering to be fuzzy. This is because of my camera; the watch is guaranteed to be one of the best one has ever experienced."

We'll see has this little lot goes.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...#ht_1468wt_932

[bkandj2000]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

We are Stan - and allegedly one has been sold with a simple "Thank you" left but no nonreciprocal feedback available because

"This member, watchtrader50, has decided to make their feedback comments private. "

Now he has eleven watches for sale again, including a red 1680 and he states in his listing "The close up of the dial shows the red lettering to be fuzzy. This is because of my camera; the watch is guaranteed to be one of the best one has ever experienced."

We'll see has this little lot goes.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...#ht_1468wt_932

Good catch...

Also, the "SWISS-T<25" in current picture #8 is in a much smaller font and clearer than the red-lettered, larger font "SUBMARINER" in the same picture. If it was the camera's fault, this would not occur. Nothing else is fuzzy that picture except the red-lettered "SUBMARINER".

[stalkerman]

Interesting that the red lettering seems to have disappeared on 3 of the photos!!!

Someone who has lots of high end watches for sale and doesn't keep receipts???

Hark, is that an alarm bell I hear ringing........?

[Rolex116520]

Strange that in most of his other and previous listings he offers perfect professional quality pictures . A RED SUB's value is in the original dial and the proper red letting ; many are white service dials painted over to try an fool the buyer in paying a premium .
Here we have real poor pictures .
As our friend Stan would say ... Hmmm .