If I was looking........

[Jonathan007]

If I was looking for a first Pam what Pam would you Pam people suggest?

Thank you

Jon

[mastruck]

[Jonathan007]

Mate thats lovely, like the logo!

I would like something like that with Firenze on the case back as we honeymooned there. When I tell the Mrs it softens the blow

lovely 111

What about a nice PAM 00104??

[B. Doggy]

000, 112, 104, 111, 312....

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

000, 112, 104, 111, 312....

As long as its the 44mm right Bryan

Cheers for that mate

[ocwatching]

Originally Posted by Jonathan007

I would like something like that with Firenze on the case back as we honeymooned there.

You referring to PAM 411? you can try the calling the boutique but it maybe sold out...
I would go with a manual historic for your first

[mfer]

What's your budget?

[karmatp]

Stay base w/ the manual wind for the best bang for your buck.

Luminors 000, 005, 111, 112. If you like the TI case 176, 177.

Rads 210, 183

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by mfer

What's your budget?

Id say around £3400 max

[bigterpsfan]

Anyone have thoughts on the PAM 113?

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by ocwatching

You referring to PAM 411? you can try the calling the boutique but it maybe sold out...
I would go with a manual historic for your first

Manual as opposed to the automatic version? How come??

[ocwatching]

Originally Posted by Jonathan007

Manual as opposed to the automatic version? How come??

Manual wound pieces are more in line with the Panerai history and they have historically held their values better than the autos. (incase you sell later)

With that said, my first was the 312 as I wanted a date and auto for a daily piece. My 2nd was a manual.

But despite all that, buy what you like! PAMs are unique in their allure.

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by ocwatching

Manual wound pieces are more in line with the Panerai history and they have historically held their values better than the autos. (incase you sell later)

With that said, my first was the 312 as I wanted a date and auto for a daily piece. My 2nd was a manual.

But despite all that, buy what you like! PAMs are unique in their allure.

Thanks for that Phil

Manual wound watches are quite old fashioned right? But I can see where you’re coming from as I suppose the originals would have been manual.

How long would a manual wound watch take before its energy was depleted?

Thank you

[mfer]

hmmm, for $5500...

312 is tops but possible
I'm partial to the 210, 111, 000, 243

There are also some Ti's like 61 with sweet brown dials

What do you like? Rad, Lum, Sub

[ocwatching]

Originally Posted by Jonathan007

How long would a manual wound watch take before its energy was depleted?

I believe the base historics have 40+ hours of power reserve. Mik and some of the other guys can give you a better idea.

There is something about winding the piece. I do it to my all my watches in the rotation irregardless of auto/manual. I don't use a winder.

Have fun Jonathan! and looking forward to you on the "dark side"

[mfer]

My 111 goes for 61 hours
My 210 goes for 58 hours.

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by mfer

hmmm, for $5500...

312 is tops but possible
I'm partial to the 210, 111, 000, 243

There are also some Ti's like 61 with sweet brown dials

What do you like? Rad, Lum, Sub

Mik

I love the Lum.

Thanks

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by ocwatching

I believe the base historics have 40+ hours of power reserve. Mik and some of the other guys can give you a better idea.

There is something about winding the piece. I do it to my all my watches in the rotation irregardless of auto/manual. I don't use a winder.

Have fun Jonathan! and looking forward to you on the "dark side"

Thank you Phil should be back soon

Originally Posted by mfer

My 111 goes for 61 hours
My 210 goes for 58 hours.

Mik I was just looking at a 111 for sale here in the UK £3200

[mfer]

Look at 111, 112, 000, 005, 061, 055, 104(auto), 1, 2 and if you like white 112,113

[esm]

If you like clean dial, then 000 for Luminor and then 210 for Radiomir.

If you like simple with sub second hand, then 005 for Luminor and then 183 for Radimor.

Have you tried any of them yet?

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by esm

If you like clean dial, then 000 for Luminor and then 210 for Radiomir.

If you like simple with sub second hand, then 005 for Luminor and then 183 for Radimor.

Have you tried any of them yet?

Not tried any yet eric

Its looking like the 111 or the 000 for me

Just say I decided to go with the 000 what paperwork would I expect to come with a complete set?

[mfer]

Take your time and try some on. Most love the Lum a ton, but you never know. I've fallen head over heals for the Rads.

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Jonathan007

Not tried any yet eric

Its looking like the 111 or the 000 for me

Just say I decided to go with the 000 what paperwork would I expect to come with a complete set?

I put paperwork images here.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...50#post2431950

[Michael M.]

I'd go with the PAM005!

[nauticajoe]

A lot of great references out there. As mentioned, it's best to try them on. See what makes you smile. As a 1st, I'd choose from the historic collection.

Good luck!

[kilyung]

005 or 000 would be my recommendation

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by kilyung

005 or 000 would be my recommendation

How come a 111 comes with a COSC cert and the 000 doesn't??

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by Jonathan007

How come a 111 comes with a COSC cert and the 000 doesn't??

Models with a second hand do, those without don't.

Also, bear in mind that these models do not hack i.e. the hands keep moving when you pull the crown out to set the time.

[Jonathan007]

Originally Posted by Psmith

Models with a second hand do, those without don't.

Also, bear in mind that these models do not hack i.e. the hands keep moving when you pull the crown out to set the time.

Cheers Psmith

How do you set the time if the hands keep moving? Or is that just the second hand?

000 or 111?

Jon

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by Jonathan007

Cheers Psmith

How do you set the time if the hands keep moving? Or is that just the second hand?

000 or 111?

Jon

I suppose the answer is 'approximately', although you can hack these 6497/8 movements in a fashion by manipulating the crown and applying 'reverse pressure'. I set mine quite quickly, so that the hands don't move on too far. I don't think anyone buys a historic Base or Marina model and worries too much about highly accurate time-keeping, although the movements are certainly capable of it.

Of these two models, I prefer the 111, mainly because I like to have the second hand.