PAM 112 vs PAM 111

[TopNotchChach]

good morning(im on the west coast) everyone!

Quick question, while im in debate on what model to get gmt II or a pam a question arose.

My friend and I were talking about how i should i get the pam. I threw out 000 or 112. He said that the 112 is more true to Panerai history. Meaning, no logo.

However, now my question is 112 vs 111. Which model is more to true to Panerai history. On wikipedia, it showed marina militare pic that was similar to the 111. Was there ever a base 112 model back in the day?

please help. sorry if i sound like newb, but i am to Panerai. Please feel free to school me on this.


thanks!

[mfer]

I think Rads where the first.

Historically, both Rads and Lums where two handed if they had a normal movement. They had a second hand if they had an 8 day movement.

So a 112 is more accurate from a 111 standpoint, but a 2 would be more accurate b/c of solid case back.

A 190 is more accurate than a 183, but who in the heck cares. Get what you want.

[marcinthemiddle]

I vote for the 111- simply because I wouldn't want to look at my watch for a minut or two just too see if it was still running.

[TopNotchChach]

hmmm 111 :)

[tkc324]

Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

I vote for the 111- simply because I wouldn't want to look at my watch for a minut or two just too see if it was still running.

x2

[B. Doggy]

111 is a sexy watch.

[TopNotchChach]

I like the clean look of the 112. But feeling the seconds hand.

What price range is a "good deal" for the 111?
Please post new and preowned prices.

Thanks!

[mfer]

Originally Posted by TopNotchChach

I like the clean look of the 112. But feeling the seconds hand.

What price range is a "good deal" for the 111?
Please post new and preowned prices.

Thanks!

Only solution is to eventually get both!



a 111 will run you from 3500-4000 used.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by TopNotchChach

I like the clean look of the 112. But feeling the seconds hand.

What price range is a "good deal" for the 111?
Please post new and preowned prices.

Thanks!

[TopNotchChach]

Lovin the pics Speed!

do you have the black gator with white stitching?

going nuts and i dont even have one yet! Showing my girl pics from a past thread! already picking straps out!!

[Speed]

Originally Posted by TopNotchChach

Lovin the pics Speed!

do you have the black gator with white stitching?

going nuts and i dont even have one yet! Showing my girl pics from a past thread! already picking straps out!!

Here it is... This is the short strap. Notice only one keeper.

[TopNotchChach]

^sweeeeeeet!

So... Anyone have one for sale hahaah?

Preowned?

[htc8p]

112 has more pam dna. the vintage models have only 2 hands

[mfer]

Originally Posted by TopNotchChach

Lovin the pics Speed!

do you have the black gator with white stitching?

going nuts and i dont even have one yet! Showing my girl pics from a past thread! already picking straps out!!

I think I recognize that picture!

I don't care that you relinked it, but some people get pretty up in arms when you re-show their pictures (especially from their own account). It doesn't bother me, but as a general rule, don't do it as some people get pretty aggressive.

[Speed]

Funny but true side- story Mik...

I posted a shot of the fluted bezel of my DJ on TRF. It was picked up by Jakes Blog at some point...

However, after I reposted it some time after, a member immediately posted my photo (hosted on some random blog) under mine implying I had lifted it.

I was basically accused of stealing my own photo!

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Speed

Funny but true side- story Mik...

I posted a shot of the fluted bezel of my DJ on TRF. It was picked up by Jakes Blog at some point...

However, after I reposted it some time after, a member immediately posted my photo (hosted on some random blog) under mine implying I had lifted it.

I was basically accused of stealing my own photo!

[TopNotchChach]

Mfer, sorry man! i didnt mean anything bad by re-posting a pic like that. Should have quoted it. Too funny of a story speed!

I was just showing my girl a good representation of the straps, and which I would want(wink, wink)
haha
sorry about not even knowing acknowledging that you put a price down for pre-owned.

would you buy pre-owned or new? what are you determining factors?

Here is a pic from wikipedia. looks very similar to the 111, except the lack of "marina militare"

[mfer]

Originally Posted by TopNotchChach

Mfer, sorry man! i didnt mean anything bad by re-posting a pic like that. Should have quoted it. Too funny of a story speed!

I was just showing my girl a good representation of the straps, and which I would want(wink, wink)
haha
sorry about not even knowing acknowledging that you put a price down for pre-owned.

would you buy pre-owned or new? what are you determining factors?

Here is a pic from wikipedia. looks very similar to the 111, except the lack of "marina militare"

Dude, it doesn't bother me. But I'm warning you, it does bother some.

I would definitely go pre-owned. Both of mine are pre-owned.

Your girl could wear 'em too. Just get her an LV strap!

My determining factors are flawless dial and hands, box and papers, no gauges/dents and a seller I'm comfortable with. Scratches are fine, I actually like a few small ones here and there. Makes it more vintage.

[TopNotchChach]

^did you find the ones you own on this site? dont really go on any other sites so this one is it for me hahah.

cant really find any pre-owned at stores around LA.

[mfer]

I found both of mine on Paneristi

One was from a person who actually worked at an AD in Seattle and he just wanted to sell the one he wore for a few years to get some diving equipment.

Another was a guy I found locally (well, about 2 hour drive away) so it was a face to face deal, but found on Paneristi.

If you look here: Paneristi CM here: timezone < 5k, you'll find one.

You could also contact Mosco, Oscar, David, etc and they'll be able to get you one. The 111 is kind of like the Rolex Sub. Most all owners have or have had one.

[Speed]

Chach,

I bought mine pre-owned from a TRF member.

Try pinging Oscar or Mosco. These guys deal a lot of PAMs...and they are Rock Solid guys.

< Doh...Mik was too fast for me >

[TopNotchChach]

^ thanks to the both of you. I was in contact with Oscar but last minute flaked out cause of some life stuff. Ill keep looking on the trf. i know oscar sells a lot of pams, didnt really see any pre-owned.

ill keep my eyes posted for a great deal. :)

[topcat30093]

Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

I vote for the 111- simply because I wouldn't want to look at my watch for a minut or two just too see if it was still running.

This goes for me as well.

But in the end I went with a 312

[dalip]

111 would also be my choice...

But it would be close -

[TopNotchChach]

The search has begun!

[mocheen]

I chose the 111 over the 112 simply because of the seconds function. The first PAM I ever laid eyes on was the 112 and I have wanted one for almost 3 years. When it came down to purchasing one I was introduced to the 111. I wanted to know that the watch was working especially since this watch is not automatic. I actually like the seconds hand though. I wear the 111 every weekend. I love the fact that nobody knows what the watch is or its history. When I wear the Rolex or Omega people always ask me if they are real. I have only encountered one person who recognized my watch so far.

[mgpdragon64]

Definitely a 111 for me=)

[TopNotchChach]

thanks everyone for helping me out.

on the prowl for a 111