Losing 10s/day suggestions?

[austinnh]

My 14060M (non COSC) sub was serviced barely over a year ago (one year warranty ) but has started losing 10s a day. I haven't dropped it, and have no reason to suspect water damage. I wear it when riding my bike and stuff, but it can take that, right?

Is this bad enough that it should be sent in for service? Or should I keep watching it and see where it goes from here? If in for service, where to? I know a lot of vintage guys use Bob Ridley. There's also RSC, but what is the typical turnaround time there? Obviously I'm not eager to put $500 into this or be without my watch for months since I thought it would last more like five years.

Thanks for the input.

[kilyung]

It might have gotten magnetized. Take it to the local AD and have them demagnatize it first. Good luck... that's a great watch.

[OrangeSport]

If that doesn't do it I would call on the two year warranty you have...

[robertgrom]

This Rolex is not a Chronometer watch, however it should be more accurate.
Have it regulated by a good watchmaker. Nice looking watch.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by robertgrom

This Rolex is not a Chronometer watch, however it should be more accurate.
Have it regulated by a good watchmaker. Nice looking watch.

The movement is exactly the same as in the Explorer only difference then not sent for COSC testing.And if any watch gets magnetised in general will speed up not slow down, and not by just a few seconds or complete stop and refuse to start.Now if watch is a consistent 10 seconds slow then its still a very accurate watch and all thats needed is very simple regulation.Now regulation is a task thats done most regular by any watchmaker today.Its not rocket science and any good watchmaker with timing machine case back tool could regulate any Rolex watch.And today most high street watchmakers can pressure check to 200m or plus if it passes that test it will be safe for scuba and other water activities.And if the OP watch was serviced at a RSC 12 months ago it would of had a two year warranty.

Originally Posted by kilyung

It might have gotten magnetized. Take it to the local AD and have them demagnatize it first. Good luck... that's a great watch.

[austinnh]

Good point about the magnetization. I'll try that out.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by austinnh

Good point about the magnetization. I'll try that out.

First read above post.

[TSW]

Sounds like a quick regulation would be in order.

[316lad]

Originally Posted by austinnh

My 14060M (non COSC) sub was serviced barely over a year ago (one year warranty ) but has started losing 10s a day. I haven't dropped it, and have no reason to suspect water damage. I wear it when riding my bike and stuff, but it can take that, right?

Is this bad enough that it should be sent in for service? Or should I keep watching it and see where it goes from here? If in for service, where to? I know a lot of vintage guys use Bob Ridley. There's also RSC, but what is the typical turnaround time there? Obviously I'm not eager to put $500 into this or be without my watch for months since I thought it would last more like five years.

Thanks for the input.

Tell you what - mine's gaining exactly 10 seconds a day - let's do some wierd science pod experiment and get them to cancel each other out then they'll both be on the button..

[austinnh]

Ah, I missed your post padi. I see that it probably isn't magnetized then. It was not serviced at an RSC, but at a Jeweler in Florida, with only a one year warranty.

I could just get it regulated but... only months ago it was at like +2 a day. Is the timekeeping supposed to fluctuate this much? If I regulate will I just have to get it regulated again in a few months when the timekeeping changes again?

[kilyung]

Doh! Good catch Peter. If the mainspring was magnetized, it would effectively shorten the length of the mainspring thus SPEEDING UP the watch. Obviously I need a refresher course... as penance I'll manually pack the mainspring back in the barrel ten times.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by austinnh

... Is this bad enough that it should be sent in for service? .... Thanks for the input.

No, it does not need to be "serviced" again.. It only needs to be re-timed (regulated)..

Whoever did the service should regulate it for you for free.. In any event, it's cheap at most Dealers with watchmakers on staff..

[yessir69]

Ten seconds on a non chronometer sounds pretty spiffy to me.

[austinnh]

When I get it regulated, how long should I expect it to keep good time before it needs to be regulated again?

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by yessir69

Ten seconds on a non chronometer sounds pretty spiffy to me.

It's exactly the same watch as the COSC labelled version.

[austinnh]

Originally Posted by yessir69

Ten seconds on a non chronometer sounds pretty spiffy to me.

It's the same movement as in the chronometer. Ten seconds is what you'll get from a $500 Seiko. Not that there's anything wrong with the Seiko, but I expect more from this watch. Am I expecting too much?

It was +1 or +2 for the past year.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by tools

no, it does not need to be "serviced" again.. It only needs to be re-timed (regulated)..

Whoever did the service should regulate it for you for free.. In any event, it's cheap at most dealers with watchmakers on staff..

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[Keeperoftime]

+1

[handsfull]

If its a consistent -10/day it needs a regulation. The keyword is 'consistent'....if it's varying each day that would change things....

[austinnh]

^ I'll keep an eye on it for a while, then. Thanks guys for the input! <3

[xjeeunitx]

I'd keep an eye on it but I think for NON-COSC watch, it's fine as long as it is consistently losing ten seconds per day.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Doh! Good catch Peter. If the mainspring was magnetized, it would effectively shorten the length of the mainspring thus SPEEDING UP the watch. Obviously I need a refresher course... as penance I'll manually pack the mainspring back in the barrel ten times.

Hi Kilyung,

can you explain this in more detail.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Hi Kilyung,

can you explain this in more detail.

Dammit... I'm getting rusty! That's two errors in a single thread. It's not the mainspring but the balance spring. A balance spring, or hairspring, attached to the balance wheel, controls the speed at which the wheels of the timepiece turn, and thus the rate of movement of the hands. A regulator lever on the balance spring is used to adjust the speed so that the timepiece keeps accurate time. The balance spring controls the rate of oscillation of the balance wheel because it reverses the direction of the balance wheel causing it to oscillate back and forth. The balance spring and balance wheel together form a harmonic oscillator. Magnetization causes adjacent coils of a spring to "stick" to each other. This has the effect of shortening (or stiffening) the spring which makes the watch run very fast, if it will run at all. Think of a yoyo with a long string, the time when it moves from a wound to an unwound state is a harmonic period. Now if the string gets tangled and the length of the string is effectively shorter, the harmonic period speeds up.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Doh! Good catch Peter. If the mainspring was magnetized, it would effectively shorten the length of the mainspring thus SPEEDING UP the watch. Obviously I need a refresher course... as penance I'll manually pack the mainspring back in the barrel ten times.

Again the main culprit if any watch gets magnetised is the hairspring and not the mainspring.What happens is the hairspring gets magnetised it will stick together, very similar symptoms when say a watch is serviced,and they get oil on the hairspring, that could cause the same problem as being magnetised.

[koc]

Thank you guys for the value info.
I have my 16610LV M serial watch gain +20 sec daily, and it is still new, less than one month , but maybe because its kept in the box for 2 years or maybe its magnetized

[padi56]

Originally Posted by koc

Thank you guys for the value info.
I have my 16610LV M serial watch gain +20 sec daily, and it is still new, less than one month , but maybe because its kept in the box for 2 years or maybe its magnetized

If any watch gets magnetised yes it will normally speed up,but in general will run very very erratic.Now if any watch gains a consistent time daily then its very unlikely to be magnetised..Now to check any mechanical watch for accuracy,first you must give it a full manual wind 40 full crown turns clockwise.Then synchronise your watch with a reliable time sourse a quartz watch will do for the test.Then wear as normal but for 8 plus hours a day with reasonable normal wrist movement to keep power reserve.Then check daily with same setting time sourse for 5 days.Then average out the loss or gain over the 5 days for a accurate result.If watch is not performing to a AVERAGE of between -4 to +6 seconds for a 24 hours period then it needs regulation a very simple process to any good watchmaker.

[koc]

Thank you Peter for reply,
my watch gain 20 sec daily, so i think its not magnetized, i will give it a 40 full manual wind , then i will synchronize with my Adidas quartz watch for the test.

[koc]

Well, test result :
I gave my watch a 40 full manual wind and i keep it on my wrist, and i move my arm even when im setting, In spite of all this , its gain 3 sec after 5 Hrs only,
I think my watch have a serious issue

[padi56]

Originally Posted by koc

Well, test result :
I gave my watch a 40 full manual wind and i keep it on my wrist, and i move my arm even when im setting, In spite of all this , its gain 3 sec after 5 Hrs only,
I think my watch have a serious issue

You cannot test any watch that way do the test like I said in my post, and your watch I would doubt if you have any serious issue..The most it could be is just simple regulation a 30 minute job start to finish including a pressure test.When watch is off wrist at night try resting watch vertical crown up.

[koc]

I will observe my watch for five days, and i hope there is no need for service and its just simple regulation job,

Thank you again Peter