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Pyrite · 28 October 2011, 05:15 AM

Here is all I know...

S/N @ 6:00 42XXX
Model 65801

Dial says Sub Mariner??? I don't think so

Movement is CAL 1030

The GMT Master · 28 October 2011, 05:17 AM

Looks fake to me

Pyrite · 28 October 2011, 05:31 AM

Movement, case and dial have all been authenticated. Trying to figure out the dial with this watch.

TSW · 28 October 2011, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrite

Movement, case and dial have all been authenticated. Trying to figure out the dial with this watch.

Wh did the authentication

Tools · 28 October 2011, 05:38 AM

The dial has been repainted and so whatever it says is meaningless ..

I don't think that a model 65801 exists..

Pyrite · 28 October 2011, 05:41 AM

Just my watchmaker. My question doesn't have anything to do with authenticity. Trying to figure out the model since I don't believe this face (which is authentic) goes with this watch

TSW · 28 October 2011, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrite

Just my watchmaker. My question doesn't have anything to do with authenticity. Trying to figure out the model since I don't believe this face (which is authentic) goes with this watch

Model fake

Submarino · 28 October 2011, 06:16 AM

It could be a 6580 OP. Not sure about the one after the number.

kilyung · 28 October 2011, 06:35 AM

The case is probably a 6580/1 Rolex Oyster Perpetual from the 50s which had a cal.1030 movement in it but that dial and hands are wrong. Have you looked at the underside of the dial for any markings?

rnrmbs · 28 October 2011, 06:38 AM

It's a ref. 6538 big crown, late 1950's. The watch has a so called 'washed dial', the tritium is washed off the markers.

It's a highly collectible watch, in a next to perfect state it does around 50k and up. The dial needs a relume.

kyle L · 28 October 2011, 06:53 AM

You sure it's not a 5508? Can you look in between the lugs again? Looks like a engine turned bezel from an Air-King or a date was added.

rnrmbs · 28 October 2011, 06:56 AM

How did you get your hands on a piece like this? It's really a very rare watch!

rnrmbs · 28 October 2011, 07:06 AM

Does the crown say 'brevet' on it?

MoBe · 28 October 2011, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnrmbs

How did you get your hands on a piece like this? It's really a very rare watch!

So rare in fact that no one here knows about it for sure,maybe this thread belongs in the vintage section.

rnrmbs · 28 October 2011, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle L

You sure it's not a 5508? Can you look in between the lugs again? Looks like a engine turned bezel from an Air-King or a date was added.

5508 have depth rating 100m/330ft. There's no bezel on this watch.

rnrmbs · 28 October 2011, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoBe

So rare in fact that no one here knows about it for sure,maybe this thread belongs in the vintage section.

True, but it can be easily determined with a bit more information.

BRUJO · 28 October 2011, 07:19 AM

Fake

TheVTCGuy · 28 October 2011, 07:19 AM

Quote:

So rare in fact that no one here knows about it for sure

This thread is getting interesting.... If I could figure out how to enter those smiley faces eating popcorn and I'd put them right here...

Oh, and IBTL

kyle L · 28 October 2011, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnrmbs

5508 have depth rating 100m/330ft. There's no bezel on this watch.

What about a 6536? Doesn't a case without a bezel look like this?

handsfull · 28 October 2011, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle L

You sure it's not a 5508? Can you look in between the lugs again? Looks like a engine turned bezel from an Air-King or a date was added.

+1 It appears to be a 5508.....and modified.

pawnshopkiller · 28 October 2011, 07:56 AM

I like it. I would buy it just because it's crazy looking.

Pyrite · 28 October 2011, 09:38 AM

Wow thank you all so much for your feedback I forwarded the watch back to my watchmaker to remove the dial and movement so I can take pictures and re-post them. If one of the moderators would move this thread to the vintage section I would appreciate it. I have been buying and selling Rolex watches for 30 years and I have never run into this particular watch. I'm sure all the parts are genuine

T-Rip · 28 October 2011, 11:17 AM

I don't understand?? You are not asking if it's authentic? Just the model number?? If it's fake the model number is I6T8S F1A8K5E

Mickey® · 28 October 2011, 11:30 AM

Tag...I need to watch this post...

I think it is a real watch that has been devalued... dare I say ruined by some fool years ago.

nowzen · 28 October 2011, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnrmbs

It's a ref. 6538 big crown, late 1950's. The watch has a so called 'washed dial', the tritium is washed off the markers.

It's a highly collectible watch, in a next to perfect state it does around 50k and up. The dial needs a relume.

I believe this is correct. It looks like an

early Sub ref. 6538 from 1957 with a 1030 caliber.

However, this does not explain why the never-heard-of model number or serial number on the case.

Pyrite · 29 October 2011, 03:41 AM

I thank everyone in advance for feedback.

dooder202 · 29 October 2011, 04:11 AM

So does anyone know the value of this watch?

Pyrite · 29 October 2011, 04:12 AM

I didn't know they made a sub without a movable bezel

Quote:

Originally Posted by nowzen

I believe this is correct. It looks like an

early Sub ref. 6538 from 1957 with a 1030 caliber.

However, this does not explain why the never-heard-of model number or serial number on the case.

JIFF1975 · 29 October 2011, 04:16 AM

I believe the case and the movement is real.

Dial could be fake. It looks too new...

Could be this one with the lume washed away

http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/ite...17/7915029.htm

kyle L · 29 October 2011, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrite

I didn't know they made a sub without a movable bezel

They didn't...that's why I thought someone put on another bezel from a different watch. What's the 4 digit number on the inside of the caseback?

28 October 2011, 05:15 AM	#1
Pyrite "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 6	Need some help identifying my watch Here is all I know... S/N @ 6:00 42XXX Model 65801 Dial says Sub Mariner??? I don't think so Movement is CAL 1030 Attached Images

28 October 2011, 05:38 AM	#5
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	The dial has been repainted and so whatever it says is meaningless .. I don't think that a model 65801 exists.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

28 October 2011, 06:16 AM	#8
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	It could be a 6580 OP. Not sure about the one after the number. __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

28 October 2011, 06:38 AM	#10
rnrmbs "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Netherlands Posts: 222	It's a ref. 6538 big crown, late 1950's. The watch has a so called 'washed dial', the tritium is washed off the markers. It's a highly collectible watch, in a next to perfect state it does around 50k and up. The dial needs a relume. __________________ PP AP ROLEX OMEGA AP owners club

28 October 2011, 06:56 AM	#12
rnrmbs "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Netherlands Posts: 222	How did you get your hands on a piece like this? It's really a very rare watch! __________________ PP AP ROLEX OMEGA AP owners club

28 October 2011, 05:17 AM	#2
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Looks fake to me

28 October 2011, 05:31 AM	#3
Pyrite "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 6	Movement, case and dial have all been authenticated. Trying to figure out the dial with this watch.

28 October 2011, 05:41 AM	#6
Pyrite "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 6	Just my watchmaker. My question doesn't have anything to do with authenticity. Trying to figure out the model since I don't believe this face (which is authentic) goes with this watch

28 October 2011, 06:35 AM	#9
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	The case is probably a 6580/1 Rolex Oyster Perpetual from the 50s which had a cal.1030 movement in it but that dial and hands are wrong. Have you looked at the underside of the dial for any markings?

28 October 2011, 06:53 AM	#11
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	You sure it's not a 5508? Can you look in between the lugs again? Looks like a engine turned bezel from an Air-King or a date was added.

28 October 2011, 07:06 AM	#13
rnrmbs "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Netherlands Posts: 222	Does the crown say 'brevet' on it? __________________ PP AP ROLEX OMEGA AP owners club

28 October 2011, 07:19 AM	#17
BRUJO Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Oscar Location: Spain Watch: Rolex Comex 16800 Posts: 108	Fake

28 October 2011, 07:56 AM	#21
pawnshopkiller Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Roscoe Location: florida Watch: 16618 Posts: 646	I like it. I would buy it just because it's crazy looking.

28 October 2011, 09:38 AM	#22
Pyrite "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 6	Thank you all for your help! Wow thank you all so much for your feedback I forwarded the watch back to my watchmaker to remove the dial and movement so I can take pictures and re-post them. If one of the moderators would move this thread to the vintage section I would appreciate it. I have been buying and selling Rolex watches for 30 years and I have never run into this particular watch. I'm sure all the parts are genuine

28 October 2011, 11:17 AM	#23
T-Rip "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Tom Location: Victorville CA Watch: Rolex DSSD 116660 Posts: 3,189	I don't understand?? You are not asking if it's authentic? Just the model number?? If it's fake the model number is I6T8S F1A8K5E __________________ T-Rip Formally known as Haydendillon Rolex: DSSD 116660, 16622 PLATTY

28 October 2011, 11:30 AM	#24
Mickey® Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Mickey® Location: Atlanta, GA Watch: Swiss Made Posts: 5,801	Tag...I need to watch this post... I think it is a real watch that has been devalued... dare I say ruined by some fool years ago.

29 October 2011, 03:41 AM	#26
Pyrite "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 6	New picture if this helps I thank everyone in advance for feedback. Attached Images

29 October 2011, 04:11 AM	#27
dooder202 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: US Watch: DateJust Posts: 1,468	So does anyone know the value of this watch?

29 October 2011, 04:16 AM	#29
JIFF1975 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Hague Watch: SDDS, 116610LV Posts: 384	I believe the case and the movement is real. Dial could be fake. It looks too new... Could be this one with the lume washed away http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/ite...17/7915029.htm

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