non-COSC vs. COSC on the 14060

[kymwatchlog]

Will you guys go for a non-COSC dial 14060 Sub or a COSC dial version?

Is it just a personal preference or am I missing something?

thanks!

[azguy]

2 liners are cool

[kilyung]

It's the same watch so it comes down to preference.

[Alcan]

Originally Posted by azguy

2 liners are cool

Yep, clean and simple.

[wulfman]

Go for the 4-liner. Less out there than 2-liner and 4-liner G-or Random Series with parachrome will be a perfect investment as you see already prices are rising...

[beshannon]

FWIW, my non-COSC sub runs better than COSC spec. I am happy with that

[chillviper]

I am more drawn to the balance and simplicity of the non-COSC.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by wulfman

Go for the 4-liner. Less out there than 2-liner and 4-liner G-or Random Series with parachrome will be a perfect investment as you see already prices are rising...

Don't believe the hype. Parachrom is mostly marketing propaganda and there are too many modern 14060Ms for them to ever be investment grade.

[tlbarrs]

Don't think you can go wrong with either, I will be picking up my 4 line on Saturday personally I love the engraved rehault on the later models.

[wulfman]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Don't believe the hype. Parachrom is mostly marketing propaganda and there are too many modern 14060Ms for them to ever be investment grade.

Hype worked on 16710 with 3186 movement, 16610, 16600, 16570 is as well going up...tell me a better investment with lower risk...

[Tools]

It's possible that the 4 line may catch collectors eyes in a couple of decades, making this one a "potential" for slightly higher values then..

Until that time comes, if ever, it's personal preference..

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by wulfman

Hype worked on 16710 with 3186 movement, 16610, 16600, 16570 is as well going up...tell me a better investment with lower risk...

The problem with hype is that it always comes crashing down eventually. Watches are a HORRIBLE investment but you're more than welcome to liquidate your retirement funds if you believe otherwise.

[wulfman]

Look at the price developement of rolex watch list-prices in the last decades. Have the prices ever dropped down? Has rolex ever decreased their prices?

Prices for new sealed ones in Europe have already gone up with releasing the new 114060...and this will probably go on. Look at the price developement of NOS 16600 in the last few years since it was disontinued, then everything is said...

Same with NOS 16710 and so on...

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by wulfman

Look at the price developement of rolex watched in the last decades. Have the prices ever dropped down?

You're kidding right? Hell, the cost of a gallon of milk has increased in the last decade! Cigarettes, coffee, bread, gas, etc.

Originally Posted by wulfman

Prices for new sealed ones in Europe have already gone up with releasing the new 114060...and this will probably go on. Look at the price developement of NOS 16600 in the last few years since it was disontinued, then everything is said...

Same with NOS 16710 and so on...

By that argument, one should buy a NOS of every discontinued watch and throw it in the safe on the chance it'll be collectible. You're not going to retire on any potential profits made from speculating on watches, I guarantee it. Personally, I buy my watches to enjoy wearing them otherwise what's the point??

Regardless, let's not hijack the OP's thread. I'm sure the general community would love to chime in on a "watches as investment" thread if you'd like to continue the discussion.

[wulfman]

No prob, is it a crime to see a watch as an investment?? I´ve watches to wear and watches to invest (especially discontinued models), so what´s the problem to combine both aspects? Should I´ve a bad conscience about that? Why? Let´s end this discussion...

[Cyberintercept]

Both are great. A non-cosc 14060 will still run within cosc specs, many will say cosc certification is marketing. All the movements run within that spec when properly regulated, do you need the extra two lines on the dial to confirm? I wanted a new one under warranty so my only choice was 14060M. Both are symmetrical and clean. 14060M does have rehaut engraving if you like that, as well as that blue spring. I cannot speak to the investment future, but you cannot go wrong with either one!

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by Cyberintercept

Both are great. A non-cosc 14060 will still run within cosc specs, many will say cosc certification is marketing. All the movements run within that spec when properly regulated, do you need the extra two lines on the dial to confirm? I wanted a new one under warranty so my only choice was 14060M. Both are symmetrical and clean. 14060M does have rehaut engraving if you like that, as well as that blue spring. I cannot speak to the investment future, but you cannot go wrong with either one!

Just for clarification, there's the two-line non-COSC 14060M, the four-line COSC 14060M, and the older 14060. The 14060Ms are identical except some with parachrom/two extra lines on the dial/rehaute engraving. There are more differences between the 14060 vs 14060M.

[Wristmaster]

can't agree more with kilyung, Rolex price increase gave this "secure" feeling to those who already own it, lets not forget that everything tends to go up in prices, other watch brands too..

watches as good investment is not really accountable and tangible, I guess not everyone can say they made profits after selling watches that they have worn for years or even months. its just this good feeling that we made a good purchase with a brand that remains "high-end" and "valuabe" in our social circle.

just buy what u desire the most,what will make your collection even more subtle and you know it will look good sitting on your wrist. that will the best invesment.

[Wristmaster]

I like the two liner btw.. it has this stealth look,simplicity and does not shout rolex. a perfect everyday watch.

[judodave1964]

I had a 5513 and a 14060 2 liner, I've always preferred that look on the ND sub, but either way there are plenty on the market. Once you've decided on which version you are going for its more important to get one in good condition that's been looked after.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Don't believe the hype. Parachrom is mostly marketing propaganda and there are too many modern 14060Ms for them to ever be investment grade.

Well said.

[phillycheez]

If there is indeed less 4 liners out there and you really care about gaining $1k to $3k in 50 years...

Personally buying watches as an investment is never a great idea.

If it was me though, I would get the 4 liner. Reminds me of the 5512, and if history repeats itself... it has a better chance of being more valuable if ya care about that sort of thing.

[CDNWatchNut]

I prefer the 2-liner. Simpler, cleaner, and it doesn't look like a sub-date without the date.

[Grumpy Badger]

I like the four-line better but I'm biased...

If four lines was cool enough for Steve McQueen on his 5512 it's cool enough for me on my 14060m.

[Gundam]

Originally Posted by wulfman

Go for the 4-liner. Less out there than 2-liner and 4-liner G-or Random Series with parachrome will be a perfect investment as you see already prices are rising...

Nothing to stop other 4-line 14060m getting parachrome at future servicing by Rolex, if the hairspring required to be replaced. The belief that late-productions with parachrome are rare exclusives is probably misplaced.

[dlubix]

2liner has my vote. I love clean look of the dial.

[ecsub44]

Originally Posted by kilyung

You're kidding right? Hell, the cost of a gallon of milk has increased in the last decade! Cigarettes, coffee, bread, gas, etc.

That's why I'm investing in cigarettes! Can't go wrong with that one...

[mopsey]

Mine is a random serial bought 2 months ago from an AD.
I've no idea whether it has a parachrome spring. I'm not sure that I'm bothered either.

[jerseyden]

I have a brand new 4 liner, although I prefer the non COSC version. But I can live with it. As for the parachrome,I'm really not bothered.

[kilyung]

Rolex introduced their in-house anti magnetic hairspring, Parachrom, in 2005. It is a combination of niobium, zirconium and oxygen. Once the alloy hits oxygen it turns blue in color. The name comes from PARAmagnetic and the Greek CHROM (not chrome) meaning coloured.