Tough Decision - SubC or GMT IIC

[slim4511]

I am really struggling here. I like both the SubC - 116610LN and the GMT Master IIC 116710LN. When comparing the latest models of each, differences I know about are 100m vs 300m depth waterproof, bezel markings, GMT hand, bracelet. Questions would be: both have a glidelock bracelet in that they are easily adjustable even though the GMT clasp is shorter therefore somewhat less adjustment is available - correct? The Rolex website does not call the 78200 bracelet on the GMT a glidelock but my local AD said that indeed it is a glidelock. Do they have the same movement and engine? I certainly would believe there is more experience and knowledge on this site as opposed to the AD I spoke with so I appreciate any input you guys offer.

[cgjane]

GMT2C all the way.

[darkside7]

Go with the sub c.

[77T]

Originally Posted by slim4511

I am really struggling here. I like both the SubC - 116610LN and the GMT Master IIC 116710LN. When comparing the latest models of each, differences I know about are 100m vs 300m depth waterproof, bezel markings, GMT hand, bracelet. Questions would be: both have a glidelock bracelet in that they are easily adjustable even though the GMT clasp is shorter therefore somewhat less adjustment is available - correct? The Rolex website does not call the 78200 bracelet on the GMT a glidelock but my local AD said that indeed it is a glidelock. Do they have the same movement and engine? I certainly would believe there is more experience and knowledge on this site as opposed to the AD I spoke with so I appreciate any input you guys offer.

Originally Posted by cgjane

GMT2C all the way.

Originally Posted by darkside7

Go with the sub c.

Hmmm...well that sums it up!

IMHO, if you don't need to track time in zones other than your home, the Sub.

[A.J.R.]

I thought the GMTIIC has the EZ link clasp and the SubC family are the only ones with the Glidelock clasp.

You cannot go wrong with either watch op. I had the same problem when I was out Rolex shopping, I bought the SubC. If you hang around TRF enough you will probably end up with both eventually.

[mjclark32]

Gmt has easy link not glide lock. They have different movements too since the sub does not have a gmt hand.
Both are work horses and beautiful watches IMO. If you travel often or like to track family and friends in another timezone get the gmt, if not get the sub. There really isn't a wrong choice.
Oh, as you saw at the ad the gmt has polished center links on the bracelet which makes it more flashy, but they can be brushed to look like the subs if you want.
Good luck with your decision!

[The GMT Master]

The two watches are quite different. The GMT IIc does not have Glidelock (Glidelock is confined to just the dive watches), but it does have an updated bracelet and clasp with Easylink, which is like a more restricted version of Glidelock. You have an additional half link that can be folded in or out, and comes in handy on a hot day

The movements are different too. The Submariner uses the ageing cal. 3135, which has now been around for over 20 years, and is solid, if unspectacular. The GMT uses the cal. 3186, which was last tweaked a few years ago, and is consistently regarded as the best timekeeper in the range. The GMT complication is also pretty useful, and you won't find it better executed by any other brand - it sits within a league of its own, and, in my opinion, is as close as you can get to a perfect luxury watch. It is also, in my opinion, the finest all-rounder that Rolex produces today - tough yet dressy, and an invaluable companion if you ever find yourself abroad

The Sub, meanwhile, is pretty competitive in a crowded market - it's recent upgrade was a good step forward, but I think Rolex only did half the job by not putting a new movement in. The new Planet Ocean from Omega is a better dive watch, with a significantly better movement, for significantly less, and with double the warranty and service intervals. If you care about horology and the artistry of a movement, then the Planet Ocean is a no-brainer - the Submariner is the safe and predictable choice

[Tri-Tip]

How about an Explorer II?

[Brushpup]

Originally Posted by slim4511

I am really struggling here. I like both the SubC - 116610LN and the GMT Master IIC 116710LN. When comparing the latest models of each, differences I know about are 100m vs 300m depth waterproof, bezel markings, GMT hand, bracelet. Questions would be: both have a glidelock bracelet in that they are easily adjustable even though the GMT clasp is shorter therefore somewhat less adjustment is available - correct? The Rolex website does not call the 78200 bracelet on the GMT a glidelock but my local AD said that indeed it is a glidelock. Do they have the same movement and engine? I certainly would believe there is more experience and knowledge on this site as opposed to the AD I spoke with so I appreciate any input you guys offer.

I know exactly what you're feeling. It is a very hard thing for me too. I honestly love the previous models more, but I will have to give the nod to the GMT. If it helps, you can take the depth rating out of the equation unless you plan on being 330' + at some point.....And, the GMT actually has more functions too. I argue that even if you don't travel much you could use the GMT functions more than the depth. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sub just as much, but the GMT is just a great watch.

You will find that most AD's know less than a lot of people here. Chris used to work at one, and he gives you the 100% correct answer here. Let us know what you decide.

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

The two watches are quite different. The GMT IIc does not have Glidelock (Glidelock is confined to just the dive watches), but it does have an updated bracelet and clasp with Easylink, which is like a more restricted version of Glidelock. You have an additional half link that can be folded in or out, and comes in handy on a hot day

The movements are different too. The Submariner uses the ageing cal. 3135, which has now been around for over 20 years, and is solid, if unspectacular. The GMT uses the cal. 3186, which was last tweaked a few years ago, and is consistently regarded as the best timekeeper in the range. The GMT complication is also pretty useful, and you won't find it better executed by any other brand - it sits within a league of its own, and, in my opinion, is as close as you can get to a perfect luxury watch. It is also, in my opinion, the finest all-rounder that Rolex produces today - tough yet dressy, and an invaluable companion if you ever find yourself abroad

The Sub, meanwhile, is pretty competitive in a crowded market - it's recent upgrade was a good step forward, but I think Rolex only did half the job by not putting a new movement in. The new Planet Ocean from Omega is a better dive watch, with a significantly better movement, for significantly less, and with double the warranty and service intervals. If you care about horology and the artistry of a movement, then the Planet Ocean is a no-brainer - the Submariner is the safe and predictable choice

[Gaijin]

No question. GMT II C.

[Rolesor]

I fight the same battle daily. I am a a few years away from buying again likely so I'm hoping a pepsi gmt IIc appears then it will decide for me haha

[Feras]

IMO You will know which one once you try them both and as someone suggested to me in TRF which i am very thankful for: while you are wearing it look at the miror and you will know which looks best on your wrist.

[slim4511]

Thanks for the input. Certainly I will buy one of the two. Ok so the GMT doesn't have the glidelock but from experience, are smallish adjustments made easily to account for weather type changes or is it not even worth getting hung up over?

[OLJR]

As a frequent flyer I really value the GMT movement and am glad that I did not go for the Sub.

However if I never or only rarely travelled I would have chosen the Sub for elegance and simplicity. It looks a bit silly when people have a GMT where all hands and the bezel are constantly set to +0.

It is a mystery to me why the GMT is cheaper than the Sub. It must I suppose be a willingness to pay issue but the key question is why is that the case.

Regarding the easy-link, it is more than sufficient to accommodate all changes in the weather here in the hot, harsh desert of the Gulf. In the winter I fasten the clasp and in the summer set it to loose.

[ralpie]

Originally Posted by slim4511

Thanks for the input. Certainly I will buy one of the two. Ok so the GMT doesn't have the glidelock but from experience, are smallish adjustments made easily to account for weather type changes or is it not even worth getting hung up over?

Not worth getting hung up over.

Another vote for GMT which is waterproof to 100M!

[danielsjt]

I'd do the GMT IIC

[PHBouche]

GMT IIc

[Rocco22]

Go with the sub c it's an incredible watch.

[texex91]

Tough one--made my decision easy--get both (or all three with LV)

[esm]

Originally Posted by texex91

Tough one--made my decision easy--get both (or all three with LV)

yep, great idea

[Israguard]

Hi,
Now i am asking because im no pro in any way. The pic on post 17.

Am i wrong that the only diff between black sub and black gmt II is the gmt hand? Movement almost same? Thickness,look essentially identical? The gmt with green hand.. The gren hand is so thin and offers a second time zone.. Why not get it?. Im just trying to figure out what is real diff between thesentwo.

The LV.. I assume the middle watch with green bezel. Again.. Other than green bezel.. What is PHYSICAL/mechanical diff?

Thanks. shawn..

[nauticajoe]

Tough choice. Can't wrong with either one. I'd probably go with the SubC.

Good luck!

[landroverking]

For me it would be the GMT hands down. But I've been known to bore a few holes in the sky.

[esm]

Gotta love this pic

[rr-nyc]

GMTIIc is the way to go IMO

[Qristian]

GMT2c of course!

[patek.wis]

If the gmt II didn't have polished links I'd be all over

[cgjane]

Originally Posted by patek.wis

If the gmt II didn't have polished links I'd be all over

its not as over the top as people make it out to be...

[patek.wis]

Originally Posted by cgjane

its not as over the top as people make it out to be...

Even in my clinics I'm a t shirt guy. I don't usually put on office attire. Maybe nice button ups.

Brushed goes better with a t shirt or lab coat IMHO

If a pepsi comes out. Brushed or not I'll buy though. Lol

[unitas12]

Originally Posted by patek.wis

If the gmt II didn't have polished links I'd be all over

I had my daytona brushed. At first the dealer told me rolex wouldn't approve. I said no problem, after I spent 11k they could stop worrying about my watch. They said if it ever goes back and I finished the sentence and said I could just brush it again.