AD won't regulate?

[Ed Rooney]

I went to the local mallrat AD today to see if they could regulate my sub. The watchmaker was IN, but he did not want to open the case. Isn't that what watchmakers do? You can't fix much by looking at the outside of the watch and wishing it worked better.

He slapped it on the machine anyway and said 13 seconds fast, so it looks like it has improved a bit. Then he said just wait until the next service.

Meanwhile I'm already thinking of trading up.

[DC watchman]

Ed:

You are down the road from Buddy Hugely of Buddy's watch and clock repair. He is a Rolex trained watchmaker and I think has a parts account. He can tune that watch to +1 if you give him half an hour or so.

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by DC watchman

Ed:

You are down the road from Buddy Hugely of Buddy's watch and clock repair. He is a Rolex trained watchmaker and I think has a parts account. He can tune that watch to +1 if you give him half an hour or so.

Cool.

Down which road?

[Ed Rooney]

I googled him. I know exactly where he is. Well, not him, but his shop.

Thanks for the tip.

[mike]

Ed, is your watch by chance on warranty? For what ever reason some ADs in the states are reluctant to open a watch on warranty. It's possible, I suppose, they don't have the equiment to pressure check the watch.

[Ed Rooney]

That's probably the reason. I told him it was a 2005. It's a D serial and it has an MA8 clasp, which is 2005.

When he handled it he got some stinky crud all over the crystal. I had to scrub it when I got home.

[Ed Rooney]

I have to leave it for a day.

I need some support and love from you guys on this. I don't know if I can handle leaving it.

[Letsgodiving]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

I have to leave it for a day.

I need some support and love from you guys on this. I don't know if I can handle leaving it.

It's times like this that the back-up Rolex comes in handy. Many here advocate that stragedy many times over.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

It's times like this that the back-up Rolex comes in handy. Many here advocate that stragedy many times over.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

It's times like this that the back-up Rolex comes in handy. Many here advocate that stragedy many times over.

It's the only thing that comes close to satisfying your craving.
dP

[mike]

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

It's times like this that the back-up Rolex comes in handy. Many here advocate that stragedy many times over.

Yeah,.....

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

I went to the local mallrat AD today to see if they could regulate my sub. The watchmaker was IN, but he did not want to open the case. Isn't that what watchmakers do? You can't fix much by looking at the outside of the watch and wishing it worked better.

He slapped it on the machine anyway and said 13 seconds fast, so it looks like it has improved a bit. Then he said just wait until the next service.

Meanwhile I'm already thinking of trading up.

I guess it was on a Friday and he wanted to go home for the weekend!

[Jedi]

What exactly is the problem with your Sub?

Running fast? +13 on the vibograph does not necessarily translate to +13 on the wrist.

Mine says +4 on the machine but is steadily only gaining +2 or less a day.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by JediSubExII

What exactly is the problem with your Sub?

Running fast? +13 on the vibograph does not necessarily translate to +13 on the wrist.

Mine says +4 on the machine but is steadily only gaining +2 or less a day.

Got to agree with you there,but still then should be within COSC standards.Myself would not worry too much about it,easily rectified when a service is due.Whats in a few seconds when you think that In 24 hours, the escapement of a mechanical watch pushes the gears 432,000 times. Since a day has 86,400 seconds, even a watch that runs five minutes fast or slow each day has an accuracy of over 99.6 percent! A finer mechanical watch that gains or loses about nine seconds a day or about a minute a week has a breathtaking precision of over 99.99 per cent. This is very high precision, given the fact that the movement is constantly affected by the earth's gravity, metal expansion and contraction, temperature variations, subtle changes in lubrication and friction, shocks, and so on.But looking at the other side of the coin yes you have a Chronometer.And it should run to COSC spec,but no two watches are alike.What say in perfect on one wrist,does not mean it will perform same on another.Now regarding regulation should take around 30 mins from opening case,adjusting fit new gasket refit case back and pressure test.

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by padi56

Got to agree with you there,but still then should be within COSC standards.Myself would not worry too much about it,easily rectified when a service is due.Whats in a few seconds when you think that In 24 hours, the escapement of a mechanical watch pushes the gears 432,000 times. Since a day has 86,400 seconds, even a watch that runs five minutes fast or slow each day has an accuracy of over 99.6 percent! A finer mechanical watch that gains or loses about nine seconds a day or about a minute a week has a breathtaking precision of over 99.99 per cent. This is very high precision, given the fact that the movement is constantly affected by the earth's gravity, metal expansion and contraction, temperature variations, subtle changes in lubrication and friction, shocks, and so on.But looking at the other side of the coin yes you have a Chronometer.And it should run to COSC spec,but no two watches are alike.What say in perfect on one wrist,does not mean it will perform same on another.Now regarding regulation should take around 30 mins from opening case,adjusting fit new gasket refit case back and pressure test.

It's +13 on he vibrograph and that's pretty close to what I have observed on the wrist.

I live my life in more like 5 minute increments, so +13 is fine. I don't really have anything to be "late" for in my life, beyond tee times. I get up when a wake up, go to work when I'm finished getting ready, eat when I'm hungry, go home when I'm satisfied, go to bed when I'm tired. Work is VERY dot-com, with most people choosing whatever schedule suits their sleep habits and commute, but I generally go 8-5.

Actually, what I do is set it 1 minute slow at the beginning of the week, and then I let it go for te rest of the week. Within a minute of real time is good enough for my life.

It just bugs me that my wife's DJ is +1s. I haven't had to reset it yet.

[Jedi]

In that case Ed, a trip to the RSC for a proper regulation is in order I would say. Is your Sub a COSC?... Sorry about the dumb question but I thought only the latest series Z or M are COSC.

[rjw0501]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

I went to the local mallrat AD today to see if they could regulate my sub. The watchmaker was IN, but he did not want to open the case. Isn't that what watchmakers do? You can't fix much by looking at the outside of the watch and wishing it worked better.

He slapped it on the machine anyway and said 13 seconds fast, so it looks like it has improved a bit. Then he said just wait until the next service.

Meanwhile I'm already thinking of trading up.

Where did you go, Liljenquist and Beckstead in Annapolis mall?
I hate that place, they feel like like there doing you a favor by being in business.

-Bob

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by JediSubExII

In that case Ed, a trip to the RSC for a proper regulation is in order I would say. Is your Sub a COSC?... Sorry about the dumb question but I thought only the latest series Z or M are COSC.

No, it's not COSC. If it truly needs a visit to RSC, I will wait until it no longer looks brand new. I want to get something for my $500 clams. Either that or flip it for a SD.

It was indeed Liljenquist in Annapolis Mall. I hate the place but it's right by the play area where my kids go nuts. I like checking out the windows, but I will never purchase from them. Their salespeople have major attitude. The BreitlingGirl working there did an obvious wrist check before she even spoke to me. There's so much money in Annapolis and they feel they are the only game in town.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

No, it's not COSC. If it truly needs a visit to RSC, I will wait until it no longer looks brand new. I want to get something for my $500 clams. Either that or flip it for a SD.

It was indeed Liljenquist in Annapolis Mall. I hate the place but it's right by the play area where my kids go nuts. I like checking out the windows, but I will never purchase from them. Their salespeople have major attitude. The BreitlingGirl working there did an obvious wrist check before she even spoke to me. There's so much money in Annapolis and they feel they are the only game in town.

Do not read too much into this COSC truth be it most modern mechanical watch could pass the Swiss COSC test,with careful
regulation. And all Rolex watches made in the last 40 odd years are more than capable of running to COSC standards.Myself have a $65 dollar Alpha manual wind chronograph that out of the box was running just outside the COSC spec.But with a tiny
bit of regulation has now been running for 18 + months well inside the COSC spec.And this is a direct quote from Watchbore they estimated that at least 15,000 Rolex movements failed the COSC test in 2001-2.According to Rolex, the rejects are re-regulated or fixed, and sent back to COSC until they pass.Rolex Quote. "We don’t use COSC to tell us how good our movements are," said a source deep inside the Wilsdorf Rolex foundation. "We test them ourselves. All we want is the chronometer certification, it’s only for marketing."... I rest my case the COSC test now just a pure marketing ploy.And some of the best first time passes are the Valjoux 7750 and ETA 2892 proportionally.Now that Rolex is going to test all movements,now before the Explorer was COSC tested,but the Sub non date was not but exactly the same movement.Even in the vintage Daytona like the 6263/5 only the all gold version was COSC tested.But the S.Steel was not, but exactly the same Valjoux 72 series movement.

[krlyuzh]

Ed,

Do you know if their watchmaker is Rolex certified to open the caseback and work on the watches? Just because they are an AD does not mean they can mess with the watch internally in-house. I'm just assuming here and giving them a benefit of the doubt.

[f16570]

Hi Ed, with regards to your AD not wanting to open the caseback, I had this issue with my AD on my Exp II 3 months ago.
He told me that although Rolex trained as the watch was still under warranty they were not allowed to open it and it would have to be sent back to Rolex taking about 3-4 weeks
After 2 other visits he finally calibrated the watch in house and it is now gaining 1 second a day. Awesome Accuracy.

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[Prince]

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

It's times like this that the back-up Rolex comes in handy. Many here advocate that stragedy many times over.

Yes indeedy!!!

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by kirill

Ed,

Do you know if their watchmaker is Rolex certified to open the caseback and work on the watches? Just because they are an AD does not mean they can mess with the watch internally in-house. I'm just assuming here and giving them a benefit of the doubt.

He looked unshaven and was reaming what looked like a Breitling case. As we all know, Rolex people are handsome devils, which tells me he was not certified.

He mentioned dust getting into the movement as a reason not to do it. I think he needs a hair net.