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Old 16 December 2012, 03:27 AM   #1
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Just boughy this from local jewler...vintage rolex expert please!

I just purchased this from a local jeweler and I just want to confirm its authenticity. I am a little weary because he is not an AD and said he doesn't know much about Rolex because they don't come in his shop very much. He had his gold guy look at it and he said it looked good to him, he use to work at a shop that sold Rolex but they weren't an AD either. The first question I have is are all the parts genuine and authentic Rolex parts? Second is everything on the watch original? One thing that worries me is that there is no serial number or model number between the live and I could only see 2 markings on the clasp. One that says Rolex and another one that is very faint that says 14k. Also somebody etched 64944 on the inside of the clasp. Here some pictures of the watch, I would he so happy to find out anything about it I could. It seems there older Rolex models can be hard to evaluate because they kept changing things. Thanks in advance.


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Old 16 December 2012, 03:40 AM   #2
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Could you please show pictures of the clasp?
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Old 16 December 2012, 03:45 AM   #3
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Old 16 December 2012, 05:02 AM   #4
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You must first go with the seller to a local AD for authenticity test.
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Old 16 December 2012, 05:19 AM   #5
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I already purchased it, he said he has had other people looking at it and they seemed interested so I just bought it on the spot. He has been a family friend for years and been in business there for 50 years so I trust him and I know if I wanted he would gladly give me a full refund. I think I got a pretty fair price on it...if its original and authentic. I am eventually going to get it appraised by a local AD so that I have paperwork and an idea of its value if I decide to insure or sell it. Any one know about how much there go for retail? I do not know a whole lot a about these watches but from what iv read the older ones are harder value (especially 1960's models) because they made a wider selection on styles...
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Old 16 December 2012, 05:44 AM   #6
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I have never understood the "Buy first, ask questions about authenticity, condition, and value second".
I hope it all works out for you but always do your homework before you buy a watch like this
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Old 16 December 2012, 05:53 AM   #7
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I know I agree completely, I just trust the jeweler enough to buy first in this situation
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:09 AM   #8
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I know I agree completely, I just trust the jeweler enough to buy first in this situation
Trust, but he "doesn't know much about Rolex." Hmm.

Don't "eventually" go to a Rolex AD. Take it there now, and have them open the case and check it all out.
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:28 AM   #9
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It's not that I trust his knowledge of Rolex but I trust him as a person and a jeweler so I know I can get a refund if I wish.The Rolex dealer I went to sends it out to their "head store" I guess you would call it to do work on them. The one I went to was very busy and the woman wasn't the nicest. And I found another non ad that will open the back.for $15 at my risk...I'm thinkin about just paying for them.to do that so that I can see the model and serial number so the experts on here have a little more info. I appreciate all that you guys do on here and to be honest I trust the judgment of people on here over every non ad iv ran into and especially on older Rolex models. Thanks again so much guys!
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:31 AM   #10
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It's not that I trust his knowledge of Rolex but I trust him as a person and a jeweler so I know I can get a refund if I wish.The Rolex dealer I went to sends it out to their "head store" I guess you would call it to do work on them. The one I went to was very busy and the woman wasn't the nicest. And I found another non ad that will open the back.for $15 at my risk...!
Don't bother with a non-AD. You've already got an armload of nonspecialists who have weighed in on it. Get to a Rolex AD that will open the case on the spot. There's no need for sending off and wasting that time.
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:36 AM   #11
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Don't bother with a non-AD. You've already got an armload of nonspecialists who have weighed in on it. Get to a Rolex AD that will open the case on the spot. There's no need for sending off and wasting that time.
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:41 AM   #12
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Watch looks like one that I had before and mine was also 14k gold. I bet you the reference number is either 6084 or 6085. It does have an older type bubble back movement. Your dial is refinished though. I don't like that type of bracelet since it can wear out the inner lugs very easily especially with gold case. I would put a nice pair of leather strap on the watch, and while you have the watch head naked, take note of the reference number between the lugs at 12:00 as well as the serial number at 6:00.
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It is a known issue that all of the SubC and GMTIIC's movement have reliability issues. Something to do with a spring that was introduced. I expect this to further increase the value of older Submariners and GMTIIs.
Heck why can't I start my own internet rumor and raise the prices of MY WATCHES!!!!
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:42 AM   #13
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Yea that's what I'm going to do Monday. I have no problem leaving it for them to send to the other store that is like 25 miles away I just want to take pics of the guts. They also said the guy that could look at it and open it at the other store only works certin hours....I would have thought that any ad would open on the spot but I guess not. The jewelry chain is called Mounts and I think they have 4 locations in my area. They also said theyre appraisals start at $95...what does that mean start at? How much info would I get from a $95 appraisal?
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:45 AM   #14
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Send it to rsc for service. You will know
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Old 16 December 2012, 06:50 AM   #15
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And like I.noted above there is no numbers between any of the lugs...unless its been polished away because I can almost see something but if it is a number is so faint its unreadable to me. I cant remember where oi read it but someone said some cases in the 60's didn't have a model or serial printed between the lugs but I dont know that for fact
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Old 16 December 2012, 07:28 AM   #16
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I know I agree completely, I just trust the jeweler enough to buy first in this situation
I learned a long time ago to follow a saying I heard from Ronald Reagon,
"Trust, but Verify!"
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Old 16 December 2012, 08:02 AM   #17
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Very true also, thank you finance man and everyone for your time and advice.
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Old 16 December 2012, 08:40 AM   #18
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BTW I have been looking at it closer and I can barley see some numbers between the lugs...all I could make out was a 6 and a 0
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Old 16 December 2012, 08:57 AM   #19
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Looks like a bubble back "overtone" with an rivett expansion bracelet.

The hands are called dauphine, the dial looks refinished.
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Old 16 December 2012, 09:01 AM   #20
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Thank you for the info crowncollection. The jeweler did tell me the other non ad man said the dial was refinished. Does that hurt the authenticity or the value?
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Old 16 December 2012, 09:05 AM   #21
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Unfortunately yes. What's on the bracelet I am thinking it could be a British made wab bracelet does it say wab on it. I also think the lug style is called Bombay lugs can i see i front on shit to confirm lug style. Better pics would help, check the hallmarks on the case lugs with a loupe for now, tell me what you see if you can't open the back yourself. Regards.
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Old 16 December 2012, 09:35 AM   #22
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Don't bother with a non-AD. You've already got an armload of nonspecialists who have weighed in on it. Get to a Rolex AD that will open the case on the spot. There's no need for sending off and wasting that time.

"Armload." Well said.
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Old 16 December 2012, 10:27 AM   #23
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Send it to rsc for service. You will know

If its counterfeit wont the RSC confiscate it? If they do confiscate it, the buyer will be out of his money and wont be able to return the Bolex to his local jeweler.
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Unfortunately yes. What's on the bracelet I am thinking it could be a British made wab bracelet does it say wab on it. I also think the lug style is called Bombay lugs can i see i front on shit to confirm lug style. Better pics would help, check the hallmarks on the case lugs with a loupe for now, tell me what you see if you can't open the back yourself. Regards.
I agree with David and I know he meant:
'front on shot'.
Have another cup of coffee David.
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Old 16 December 2012, 10:32 AM   #25
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If its counterfeit wont the RSC confiscate it? If they do confiscate it, the buyer will be out of his money and wont be able to return the Bolex to his local jeweler.
It's not counterfeit IMO nor is it a Bolex.
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Old 16 December 2012, 11:06 AM   #26
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My apologies damn iphone word predict. I meant front on shot. It may have collectible "Bombay lugs " and a wab bracelet. It does not appear fake. An AD is useless with a vintage watches. The case hallmark should be a squirrel standing on its hind legs with a letter G in the left upper corner of the hallmark.
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Old 16 December 2012, 02:11 PM   #28
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Here ya go, sorry that took so long crowncollection I'm at a Christmas party and just snuck away to upload these. There is no wb I can see unless its been polished away. Let me know if you huge need any more pics, I can wait to get the back off and upload some I just don't want to try it myself.
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Old 16 December 2012, 04:51 PM   #29
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The watch is 14k the case is good

When you open it look for the same hallmark on the caseback on the inside. Take photos the caseback will have important info that generally is not worn out like the lug ends. It's not the rarer wab band from what I can see, but I can't see the whole clasp any other markings on the clasp ?
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Old 16 December 2012, 05:17 PM   #30
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No I can't really see anything else on the band, like I said it has been polished a lot so it just might be visible enough for me to see. Before I didn't think the case had the serial and model number printed between the lugs but the closer I looked I could very faintly make out a couple numbers. I'm guessing that was due to it being polished so many times. I did have another question kinda hard for me to explain because I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to watches. Ok all the pins are in the band but there are like springy pins in each link...well one has kinda lost its spring and one is missing. Is that something that should be done by a ad and would that be a ridiculous price for them to put a couple new ones in? Thanks again so much crown collection...I can't wait to get the back off the case
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