"How does somebody know what they want if they've never even seen it"

[wantonebad]

This is the line critics say is going to going to transcend the movie. Have to say by virtue of this small clip this is a movie, while an interesting subject, might be horribly miscast. According to Woz, this conversation happened with the roles ostensibly revered, Jobs felt it might be reaching for the masses to "get it". Why can't movies tell the truth, the truth is just as interesting, isn't it...

[Quix]

There was a documentary out about 12 years ago or so called the pirates of Silicon Valley. That tells the real story of the rise of the Silicon Valley with amazing interviews with jobs, wiz, gates and a host of other names you know and may not. I highly recommend watching that if you are at all interested in the beginnings of apple and Microsoft.

[77T]

The "real story" is almost always told by the winners. There's a million side stories untold.

[Quix]

True enough with regard to the winners dictating history, but, that documentary does include a really interesting interview with a woman who was an engineer at xerox who tells of how they developed a graphic user interface very early on and her higher ups didn't see its potential and made her team show it to jobs prior to the first Mac coming out.

[wantonebad]

Xerox just didn't give a poop about PC's so when Apple and Microsoft came calling Xerox bent over backwards to give them both access to GUI and object oriented programming information. And for Apple they gave them mouse technology that PC's didn't adopt for many years.


My issue isn't with telling the technical truth though that's important also, my main stink is telling the truth about people, it's inherently dishonest to deify one man by inserting the words of another. Moreover it's needless in this case, Jobs brilliance wasn't that that he was a technical genius or a soothsayer, some may argue that last point, but I see him as a flawed human visionary who had a keen sense of design and packaging. He also had a determination like few other in this world and was able to bring his companies products to market in the slickest format possible. We all know he wasn't guru programmer and if anything the technology of Apple is almost secondary, it was the collaboration, that and the LOOK of the "stuff" that made the company, and the man.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Quix

True enough with regard to the winners dictating history, but, that documentary does include a really interesting interview with a woman who was an engineer at xerox who tells of how they developed a graphic user interface very early on and her higher ups didn't see its potential and made her team show it to jobs prior to the first Mac coming out.

I lived the documentary because I too visited PARC and did an eval of the beta Xerox Documenter, but my company turned down our team's licensing idea with Xerox. Nobody was "making" anyone show it...Xerox wanted to license the technology. Steve was invited and simply expropriated the GUI.

That and a few $Billions later made a legend. By the way, it wasn't a Mac that Apple used the GUI for. It was for the Lisa desktop computer. We partnered with Apple for networking it but then the Mac came around and the Lisa died.

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by Quix

There was a documentary out about 12 years ago or so called the pirates of Silicon Valley. That tells the real story of the rise of the Silicon Valley with amazing interviews with jobs, wiz, gates and a host of other names you know and may not. I highly recommend watching that if you are at all interested in the beginnings of apple and Microsoft.

Here is a comment of Wozniak regarding the new movie iJobs . . . not even close . . .

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/2...wozniak-movie/

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