...EVERYONE...COUNTERFEIT Rolex listing...

[tudorman8276]

...we have quite a bunch of NEW folks frequenting the WATCHOUT Forum.

...this is GREAT!!

...HOWEVER, at a MINIMUM, you should post the associated link, seller id, and PHOTOS of what is in question.

...so many times an item gets removed before someone else can view what was in question.

...the photo's serve to inform those that join us AFTER an item is removed.

...the link makes it easier to follow the item in question for all to review.

...and, the seller id does the same for monitoring by the forum members regarding repeat infractions.

...HOPEFULLY, you all will try to help accordingly.

...and, for "Chewbacca"........"still up on ebay however... not impressed"...........does NOT set well with me. I work TIRELESSLY to get the JUNK that YOU and many others thread here removed from eBay, and have been doing it for YEARS.

...so YOU understand, eBay sometimes takes longer to remove certain items. For example, Australian and the EUROPEAN items usually take longer because of time differential. Another fact, is that eBay gives "courtesies" to high FB sellers, by contacting them etc. before an item is removed, usually resulting in up to 24-48 hours before an item comes down.

[robertneville]

Thanks for outlining the best way to report Stan!

[watch watcher]

If I may humbly suggest, a reason for its being fake would help. Sometimes I scratch my head looking for why the piece was condemned because I just don't know.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by watch watcher

If I may humbly suggest, a reason for its being fake would help. Sometimes I scratch my head looking for why the piece was condemned because I just don't know.

...IAW with this forums rules, that is supposed to be part of a thread..

...albeit, verbal can help a novice, but usually the pic's tell the story for most...

[joseluu]

I agree 100%. At least this time, the rules make sense.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by joseluu

I agree 100%. At least this time, the rules make sense.

...I do NOT make the rules.

...just trying to make it easy for EVERYONE to participate/learn...

[J. Alan]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...we have quite a bunch of NEW folks frequenting the WATCHOUT Forum.

...this is GREAT!!

...HOWEVER, at a MINIMUM, you should post the associated link, seller id, and PHOTOS of what is in question.

...so many times an item gets removed before someone else can view what was in question.

...the photo's serve to inform those that join us AFTER an item is removed.

...the link makes it easier to follow the item in question for all to review.

...and, the seller id does the same for monitoring by the forum members regarding repeat infractions.

...HOPEFULLY, you all will try to help accordingly.

...and, for "Chewbacca"........"still up on ebay however... not impressed"...........does NOT set well with me. I work TIRELESSLY to get the JUNK that YOU and many others thread here removed from eBay, and have been doing it for YEARS.

...so YOU understand, eBay sometimes takes longer to remove certain items. For example, Australian and the EUROPEAN items usually take longer because of time differential. Another fact, is that eBay gives "courtesies" to high FB sellers, by contacting them etc. before an item is removed, usually resulting in up to 24-48 hours before an item comes down.

Good advice, Tudorman! I agree 100% with the link advice, as it gives everyone an opportunity to look at a fake POS and learn from it before Ebay dumps it. Doing this will build up an archive of fake watch pictures that can be searched in the future by newbies for comparison.

It is also very encouraging to see scammers and crooks exposed very quickly and the help some members are offering to right a wrong.

So far, a good deal of advice has been dispensed on Watchout!!! and what should immediately ring alarm bells:
(1) Poor, fuzzy pictures with wrong model numbers.
(2) Any statements that mention relatives, dead or alive, gifted it to the seller or the watch was found on the street.
(3) Any 24 Hour Daytonas or Daytonas with calendars on them.
(4) Wrong cyclops magnification, wrong hand stacking, wrong case and bracelet identification numbers or lack thereof, wrong combinations of SS or 18K gold , etc., etc., etc------

We still have the odd troll joining and and playing games and once this is determined, the mods have been active with a thread lock or outright banning.

It is great that we have about a half dozen dedicated members contributing to the Watchout!! posts that spend a lot of time contacting Ebay to dump all the fakes and junk listed or flagging Craigslist ads. Your success rate getting a listing removed or flagged is very high - I would estimate a 98% success rate!!

Kudos to you guys for your FREE service and advice - you have saved a semi full of disasters
Keep up the good work, guardians of Rolex and Tudor, etc!!!

J. Alan

[tudorman8276]

please comply.

[cajunron]

I wish I had more savvy when it comes to the computer. I still do not know how to copy and post pictures from the ebay site to a TRF thread.

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by rgdejong

I wish I had more savvy when it comes to the computer. I still do not know how to copy and post pictures from the ebay site to a TRF thread.

I think I've got it figured out!

[springer]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...I do NOT make the rules.

...just trying to make it easy for EVERYONE to participate/learn...

One other thing is that we do not remove the item from ebay - ebay makes that decision based on our report.

[BOA]

I for one am very impressed at how you and others are so successful at getting bad auctions taken down. In my own experience of reporting, I can tell that Ebay isn't generally inclined to remove a listing based on any general member's report. We should all be grateful that some people have an inside track or Ebay's ear to get the job done, and whether or not it takes Ebay a day or two to yank an auction doesn't detract from our resident experts' knowledge or hard work. Ebay can sometimes be slow to respond. So what? At least it gets invalidated before someone gets taken. Bottom line is Ebay does listen, and thankfully there are people willing to volunteer their time and follow through consistently with accurate recognition of scams.

So I would like to propose a virtual toast for what you and others are doing. Someday, if given a chance, I'd like to make it a real toast with the good stuff.

So here's to our TRF insiders for all their hard work!! Thanks and kudos!! It's much appreciated

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by watch watcher

If I may humbly suggest, a reason for its being fake would help. Sometimes I scratch my head looking for why the piece was condemned because I just don't know.

Boy do I second this. I'm kind if new at this fraud detection stuff and when a bunch of members jump in with "POS" or "reported" comments without educating us mere novices on the specifics of what sticks out as fake, no one learns much.

I also have to think that reporting fakes to Ebay, even if the item got sold, can only help the buyers case when/if he has the watch checked out, finds out it's fake, and wishes to dispute the transaction.

[joseluu]

Originally Posted by BOA

I for one am very impressed at how you and others are so successful at getting bad auctions taken down. In my own experience of reporting, I can tell that Ebay isn't generally inclined to remove a listing based on any general member's report. We should all be grateful that some people have an inside track or Ebay's ear to get the job done, and whether or not it takes Ebay a day or two to yank an auction doesn't detract from our resident experts' knowledge or hard work. Ebay can sometimes be slow to respond. So what? At least it gets invalidated before someone gets taken. Bottom line is Ebay does listen, and thankfully there are people willing to volunteer their time and follow through consistently with accurate recognition of scams.

So I would like to propose a virtual toast for what you and others are doing. Someday, if given a chance, I'd like to make it a real toast with the good stuff.

So here's to our TRF insiders for all their hard work!! Thanks and kudos!! It's much appreciated

I think ebay should be happy and grateful. They managed to have other people doing their job!!

[joseluu]

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

Boy do I second this. I'm kind if new at this fraud detection stuff and when a bunch of members jump in with "POS" or "reported" comments without educating us mere novices on the specifics of what sticks out as fake, no one learns much.

I also have to think that reporting fakes to Ebay, even if the item got sold, can only help the buyers case when/if he has the watch checked out, finds out it's fake, and wishes to dispute the transaction.

Well, I guess the amount of "education" has to be carefully measured. There are other "students" out there.

[springer]

Originally Posted by rgdejong

I think I've got it figured out!

The snipping tool is the best way to copy photos. I believe it is a Microsoft download. Mine came installed on my computer a couple years ago with Windows 7.

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by joseluu

Well, I guess the amount of "education" has to be carefully measured. There are other "students" out there.

Agreed. Everyone should be doing their own research in addition to what has been pointed out. There is no reason why anyone can't find a genuine article on the internet or in real life and compare it to the posted fakes. As I said before, you can't become an expert in a day. If you want to learn, do some research. Most of the time, it's obvious why it's fake.

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by springer

The snipping tool is the best way to copy photos. I believe it is a Microsoft download. Mine came installed on my computer a couple years ago with Windows 7.

Thanks John.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by joseluu

Well, I guess the amount of "education" has to be carefully measured. There are other "students" out there.

Well yes, I get that. I guess I just figured that counterfeiters (especially the "good" ones) probably know better than anyone how to tell the small differences between their fakes and the real thing. They are almost certainly working off originals. And that it's more a matter of they skimp on the materials or don't have the manufacturing capability (tolerances, fit & finish, quality printing, etc.) that results in being able to spot a fake, rather than it's just a few things they overlooked (like the font is incorrect).

That said, I do understand & appreciate that no one wants to aid and abet the enemy.

[mrbill2mrbill2]

Stan

Excellent post - link and pic(s) minimum.

[crowncollection]

double post sorry, mods feel free to delete

[crowncollection]

Originally Posted by joseluu

Well, I guess the amount of "education" has to be carefully measured. There are other "students" out there.

i have to agree. In the last year, vintage sub cases have corrected the long E, we openly talked about as a fake tell, their are still a few left i will not discuss. I cannot say that is directly related to this forum or others, however they are watching for tips on correcting these problems. Obvious tells on new watches should definitely be discussed to educate others, but measured as stated above to vintage is needed, just my two cents. i agree a picture and link and seller info should be include as Stan states

[Kobin]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...the photo's serve to inform those that join us AFTER an item is removed.

I did not post pics in the past - deliberately. Technically speaking the are obviously copyrighted. But it makes total sense. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

i have to agree. In the last year, vintage sub cases have corrected the long E, we openly talked about as a fake tell, their are still a few left i will not discuss. I cannot say that is directly related to this forum or others, however they are watching for tips on correcting these problems. Obvious tells on new watches should definitely be discussed to educate others, but measured as stated above to vintage is needed, just my two cents. i agree a picture and link and seller info should be include as Stan states

x2

And a good thread Stan.

[RolexWatcher]

To help:

To tag a pic "[IMG] www.ABC.com/123.jpg[/IMG]"

[tudorman8276]

...for those that need to be reminded...

[robertneville]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

i have to agree. In the last year, vintage sub cases have corrected the long E, we openly talked about as a fake tell, their are still a few left i will not discuss. I cannot say that is directly related to this forum or others, however they are watching for tips on correcting these problems. Obvious tells on new watches should definitely be discussed to educate others, but measured as stated above to vintage is needed, just my two cents. i agree a picture and link and seller info should be include as Stan states

Right on David! It is unfortunate, but true!

[Fagin]

Would it not be possible to make the "watch Out" section only viewable by members who have made a financial donation to the forum, or have had a certain amount of posts etc and then "members" could discuss in more detail ?
This may not be possible, just a thought. The Watch Out" is a great asset to us who are still learning but obviously a help to the scammers too.

[RolexWatcher]

Originally Posted by Fagin

Would it not be possible to make the "watch Out" section only viewable by members who have made a financial donation to the forum, or have had a certain amount of posts etc and then "members" could discuss in more detail ?
This may not be possible, just a thought. The Watch Out" is a great asset to us who are still learning but obviously a help to the scammers too.

"members" can be scammers