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28 May 2013, 05:31 AM | #1 |
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Buying almost new Pam w/o box...thoughts??
I have a trusted jeweler that has a Pam210 that I just love for a great price, but he doesn't have the box. Being a newbie, how bad does this kill my resale value? I believe he has the other documentation. And I am getting a great price from what I can tell.
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28 May 2013, 05:43 AM | #2 |
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You'll definitely get less when you try to resell it, how much less depends on the demand for that particular model and who/where you are trying to sell it to. If you plan on keeping it for a few years if say go ahead and buy it if the price is spectacular but if you think it'll be a catch and release or a fairly quick flip I say pass. Btw, papers missing are the bigger deal, boxes (at least pear wood and black cardboard) can be bought here and on Paneristi for a few hundred dollars.
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28 May 2013, 06:13 AM | #3 |
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I personally would always want to buy with box and papers.
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28 May 2013, 07:04 AM | #4 |
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If it is a great price ... I would not worry too much ... Then you should be able to get back what you paid ... In case you want to sell or trade one day.
210 is a great looking watch IMO
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28 May 2013, 09:18 AM | #5 |
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It's all about the price you get and if you trust dealer is legit!
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28 May 2013, 10:52 AM | #6 |
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Box + papers should decrease value by at least $500-600.
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28 May 2013, 01:31 PM | #7 |
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For PAMs, having documentation is important; as the fake PAMs are getting better and better. Having the box is less important. If you trust the seller, then this should not be a problem as far as the authenticity of the watch goes. Reselling might be a problem without papers, though.
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29 May 2013, 02:23 PM | #8 |
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I personally never buy watches that comes without a box, and more importantly the paperwork.
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29 May 2013, 03:00 PM | #9 |
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Since we're on the subject... How difficult would it be to forge some fake papers and tags? Have they tried to push any rep. watches with fake docs yet?
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The 210 in EU goes for €4.7K so <€4K would do it for me.
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31 May 2013, 11:53 AM | #11 |
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My concern with no papers or box is that it was stolen. I'd personally stay away.
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31 May 2013, 04:55 PM | #12 |
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For the 210 as an entry level PAM pricepoint, I think you are relatively safe(r). If the price offered is reasonable, then go for it. Besides, the 210 is on my top 3 favourite PAMS insofar as bang for your buck. Looks great! And pretty easy to flip with or without the box/papers.
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2 June 2013, 02:39 PM | #13 |
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I'd probably wouldn't worry about the box and papers if you are paying a good price for it. At the end of the day, always buy the seller IMO.
Flipping it without box and papers might be a little tough. |
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I'm not quite sure how difficult it is to forge papers and tags, but I've seen counterfeits with full box and papers even with matching serials. Pretty scary I must say.
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21 June 2013, 08:56 AM | #15 |
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Speaking for myself:
I'd want the box, papers, screwdriver, cloth Etc. the panerai package is worth more than a watch only. The peripheral items benefit resale tremendously and are integral to one's collection.
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21 June 2013, 10:37 AM | #16 |
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From a trusted reputable seller with high end sale/trade references only
I did it for a 176J and it worked out just fine. Price was well adjusted for lack of boxes and papers.
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21 June 2013, 12:31 PM | #17 |
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I bought my PAM 24 without box and papers. I got it for about half price so I jumped on it.
I would say flipping it would be very tough to the average person. They will want the B&P. PM me and I can give you the details.
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Me personally, I would pay a little more for one w/ box, papers, complete.
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