I won this on Ebay........

[PhiDeltBeers]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

I won this on eBay. It'll be here in about an hour for me to inspect before I pay. It says it's an M series and has the serial number i the rehaut. I need opinions fast. The picture looks real to me, but it may not be the same as what is sent. Would you guys inspect the watch and then make a decision? Or just let it go? Help....

[DSJ]

If it's real, it's an incredible deal. If it's not, you're screwed out of $5K+ Do you have a decent digital camera? If so, take several decent pictures using the macro function, and post them. Please cover the serial numbers, but make sure all the paperwork has the matching serial numbers. It may also be stolen, so check the S/N.

To be absolutely certain, I would take it to an AD and have them crack it open to verify movement. Have you made payment? I would be reluctant to do so until its authenticity is verified.

[Numismatist]

Originally Posted by PhiDeltBeers

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

I won this on eBay. It'll be here in about an hour for me to inspect before I pay. It says it's an M series and has the serial number i the rehaut. I need opinions fast. The picture looks real to me, but it may not be the same as what is sent. Would you guys inspect the watch and then make a decision? Or just let it go? Help....

Zero feedback, $5100 for SS Daytona, did you look at the underbidders (all funny ** names with low feedback). This SCREAMS scam.

Probably a picture of a real one. The pix looks good. You might get lucky, but WOW a lesson in everything too look out for on fleabay.

[TonyD]

Too bad its about an 8 hour drive to Bangor Maine. You have to inspect it and pay COD while the driver waits? No chance to open it up?

[PhiDeltBeers]

I'm hoping to get lucky...but I'm like you guys and a little skeptical. This isn't my first rodeo with buying Rolex's on eBay...So far so good. No I haven't paid, but I have to in order to take ownrship. I ca't get it nspected until after I pay. Is the serial number in the the rehaut good enough to prove it's real?? I mean if it's tough for Rolex to get this done so soon....I would think fakes would have the same problem...especially matching a serial number to the M series...which are barely out....Thoughts?

[PhiDeltBeers]

Originally Posted by lynntonyd

Too bad its about an 8 hour drive to Bangor Maine. You have to inspect it and pay COD while the driver waits? No chance to open it up?

No chance to open it up. I can only look at box paper work shammy tags and watch....then make a decsion.

[PhiDeltBeers]

He was willing to let people do a local pickup as well.

[GMTJOHNNY]

I keep hearing about the "critical position and location of #240 on the bezel".
Is the "240" supposed to be horizontal or perpendicular to the location of the center crown button? I see so many bezels configurations where the "240" is perpendicular to the button and many where it is horizontal (is seen in theis picture on ebay).
any input from anybody?

[PhiDeltBeers]

I believe it's horizontal on SS and TT...and perpendicluar on solid gold models.

[PhiDeltBeers]

Well, Fedex just showed up and wouldn't let me open...so I'm going to go by the Fedex place tonight and have the shipper (seller) call them. Still looking for opinions. Wanta hear'em all!

[Chozn1]

All I know is that when it looks too good to be true, it usually is. Go with your gut on this. There's a reason you got on here at the last minute and started getting a little jittery. Something's not sitting right with you on this. Don't ignore that. In the Q&A someone offered to have it send to AD where they'd be waiting, and the seller wanted nothing to do with it.

[2careless]

I'm not convinced
- seller said the watch is 1 year old. The picture still has the plastic on the end links.
- as others said, 0 feedback, looks like dummy bids from other underbidders.

Unless you can get the seller to goto an AD with you together for checking, I would stay away.

[vh_bu98]

It looks like there is still plastic on the end links, odd for a watch that is over 1 year old and has been worn. I'm betting that the photo was stolen.

[Bobareno]

Looks too good to be true, why would someone sell a 9 to 11k watch for half price? Could be one of the really well made fakes that a very hard to tell without opening the back up. So someone buys good fake for $800 and sells it for over 5K? With the zero feedback and the question about taking it to a AD answer sounds wrong(he already paid 500 bucks for that?). Why would a AD charge $500 for that? Just what I think, if real you are getting a to good to be true deal!

[thunderyacht]

Originally Posted by PhiDeltBeers

Well, Fedex just showed up and wouldn't let me open...so I'm going to go by the Fedex place tonight and have the shipper (seller) call them. Still looking for opinions. Wanta hear'em all!

I don't want to seem "snobbish," but his use of the English language leaves a lot to be desired. If he were in the business of selling used watches for any period of time one would think his grammatical mistakes would be few and far between. I purchased a watch, a YM, from Gray and Sons and they were very good to work with. I had the watch checked out in Sioux Falls at the AD there and it was what Gray and Sons said. Why would this guy buy a used watch from a used watch dealer like G&S and then sell it on eBay? Plus, he just joined eBay to sell this watch. I hope it works out for you, but this has a certain "stink" to it.

[leethal21]

Looks waaayyy to risky for me.

trust your gut!

[2careless]

Originally Posted by PhiDeltBeers

I believe it's horizontal on SS and TT...and perpendicluar on solid gold models.

Nope. I pulled the following pictures from a grey dealer, and I can't reconcile the pattern as to what model gets horizontal / vertical.

[scottschoe]

Originally Posted by PhiDeltBeers

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

I won this on eBay. It'll be here in about an hour for me to inspect before I pay. It says it's an M series and has the serial number i the rehaut. I need opinions fast. The picture looks real to me, but it may not be the same as what is sent. Would you guys inspect the watch and then make a decision? Or just let it go? Help....

100% fake are you kidding? Not being able to open it up is the nail in the coffin.

[PhiDeltBeers]

Originally Posted by scottschoe

100% fake are you kidding? Not being able to open it up is the nail in the coffin.

What makes the watch in the photo 100% fake??? Or are you just going by the the whole scenario???

[cbrenthus]

Seems as though the vertical 240 is on the YG, others are horizontal?

[hbbfam]

As far as the way bidders are listed on Ebay, that is how they do it now so that isn't out of the ordinary. However, unless you can at least verify the serial number on the watch, I don't know how you can authenticate it while fed ex stands there. Also there was a recent post of someone who had a real case with a fake movement. The "other" watch had the fake case and real movement. Sell two for one. I would pass.

[Markg]

Originally Posted by vh_bu98

It looks like there is still plastic on the end links, odd for a watch that is over 1 year old and has been worn. I'm betting that the photo was stolen.

until i took a pic of my watch for this forum, i didnt notice i left plastic on one of the end links for more than a year.....

[PhiDeltBeers]

Well, I appreciate all the input...I'm thinking of going with my gut and passing on this. I have a nice GMTII and a Breitling that keep me pretty happy. I don't even think I'm going to try to go get the box opened to look at it. I called the guy nearly an hour ago and he hasn't called me back.

[applebook]

You are not entitled to open a COD package. Escrow is the only type of official service that allows inspection periods.

I'm sorry to tell you, but there are no free lunches in this world. You simply are not going to get a SS Daytona at half its going rate unless the watch is severely damaged and/or stolen. Even if it were stolen, the seller would probably pawn it for more than the auction's final price.

[Numismatist]

Also, 600+ people viewed it and only 3-4 bidded on it...and it only attained half it's value?

If it were real, I'd imagine there'd be many bidders taking it much higher than 5K.

I'd be one of them!

[2careless]

I agree with applebook. For COD you can only open after you have paid. You can only inspect the package if it has been damaged during shipment without opening it.
This is in stark contrast with the shipping description for this ebay item. The seller is describing a totally unheard of shipping mechanism where the buyer can open the box before he pays. If FedEx is offering this kind of service I'd like to know about it.

[juneja]

Offer to pay the man's train/plane ticket over to you plus an extra $500 for his trouble, and meet you at an AD of your choice.... You'd still get a bargain if it turns out true.

R :)

[applebook]

Heck, offer him a free flight to Hawaii and a night's stay at the Four Seasons, and you'd still be coming out way ahead if the watch is real/ not stolen.

[2careless]

Originally Posted by applebook

Heck, offer him a free flight to Hawaii and a night's stay at the Four Seasons, and you'd still be coming out way ahead if the watch is real/ not stolen.

Hmm, is there a central registry on stolen serials numbers? Will an AD hold onto a watch that has been reported stolen? I would think most ADs will be too sloppy for this?

[juneja]

Yes, there is a registry for stolen watches. I'll dig it out and come back.