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bitpshr · 11 October 2014, 10:41 AM

PAM 512 for a 16570 (White)

Aesthetically, each have their appeal to me, and as such, I'm really struggling with this trade. I also currently have a 116710LN and a 116400V. My current reasoning:

PAM 512: Pros

Limited to 1,500 pieces
Purchased new from an AD a month ago
Smallest-ever OP in-house P.999 movement
Exposed case back

16570 (White): Pros

3186 movement (same as my 116710LN), one of the greats imo
GMT function (useful for my work, albeit not totally necessary)
Arguably more robust service network and brand recognition

Any community input would be awesome. While I realize it will ultimately come down to what I want more, any additional reasoning would help!

BoomerSooner · 11 October 2014, 10:46 AM

Polar

Silvio Mosiello · 11 October 2014, 10:48 AM

Im not too educated when it comes to Pams but ive had the 16570 ( with a 3185) and the 216570. The 16570 is definitely one of the greats and you really cant go wrong. The only thing that some people dont like is the clasp. I take it you dont like the 216570 that much?

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bitpshr · 11 October 2014, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silvio Mosiello

I take it you don't like the 216570 that much?

Honestly, I've always preferred the smaller size of the 16570. I have horribly small wrists. The 216570's orange accents are a bit youthful looking for me, even though I'm only 24, because I'm weird.

Silvio Mosiello · 11 October 2014, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitpshr

Honestly, I've always preferred the smaller size of the 16570. I have horribly small wrists. The 216570's orange accents are a bit youthful looking for me, even though I'm only 24, because I'm weird.

If you have really small wrist the 216570 may not look good on you. Its not weird to be conservative at any age!

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Chewbacca · 11 October 2014, 11:24 AM

this is a tough one.

sea-dweller · 11 October 2014, 11:27 AM

I would...

1995akcoop · 11 October 2014, 11:34 AM

I would go with the polar Exp2. I feel long term its a better choice along with more bang for the buck especially being a 3186 movement. Im not really feeling the direction panerai has gone into in the last few years. Im actually a new rolex convert and couldn't be more happier. Prior to owner my 1st rolex about 2 years ago I had about 4 Pams in my collection and eventually sold them off. They just didnt seem as special anymore as when I bought my pam000 back in 07'. Too many limited editions and even more special editions. It was just hard to keep up.

1995akcoop · 11 October 2014, 11:36 AM

I also have a polar exp2 3186 and its just perfect. very subtle yet hard not to stare at

kilyung · 11 October 2014, 12:23 PM

You already have the GMT, I'd keep the 512.

Eric Chan · 11 October 2014, 12:34 PM

Explorer II. Not a fan of Pam's

zama · 11 October 2014, 12:59 PM

Not a PAM fan but they all look large to me so if you don't have big wrists then the Polar could be the answer although it is not small either.

bitpshr · 11 October 2014, 01:02 PM

I am starting to lean more forcefully towards the 16570. The 1,500 limited production count of the 512 initially was a huge point for me, but it seems that OP produces a ton of "limited editions" and "special editions" each year, greatly reducing the limited counts' perceived values to me...

That 3186 movement in the 16750 is just so solid.

Chewbacca · 11 October 2014, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitpshr

I am starting to lean more forcefully towards the 16570. The 1,500 limited production count of the 512 initially was a huge point for me, but it seems that OP produces a ton of "limited editions" and "special editions" each year, greatly reducing the limited counts' perceived values to me...

That 3186 movement in the 16750 is just so solid.

i think you made up your mind.

enjoy the polar!

Jlsd · 11 October 2014, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitpshr

I am starting to lean more forcefully towards the 16570. The 1,500 limited production count of the 512 initially was a huge point for me, but it seems that OP produces a ton of "limited editions" and "special editions" each year, greatly reducing the limited counts' perceived values to me...

That 3186 movement in the 16750 is just so solid.

They make PAM's in limited editions of 1,500 because the cannot sell more!

I am not a fan of PAM's but I believe that 16570 with a 3186 is a masterpiece

luvsub · 11 October 2014, 01:11 PM

Yes

soundserious · 11 October 2014, 01:23 PM

I'll buy you a polar and trade for your 512. Seriously.

kh1970 · 11 October 2014, 02:04 PM

Definitely 16570

ap1 · 11 October 2014, 11:17 PM

You better get some cash back

Psmith · 12 October 2014, 02:28 AM

I would hold onto that PAM

bitpshr · 12 October 2014, 03:08 AM

In the end, I decided to keep the 512 since it's in my name and limited. I think I'm just going to buy the 16570.

Thanks for the input everyone!

11 October 2014, 10:41 AM	#1
bitpshr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NC, USA Posts: 134	Would you make this trade? PAM 512 for a 16570 (White) Aesthetically, each have their appeal to me, and as such, I'm really struggling with this trade. I also currently have a 116710LN and a 116400V. My current reasoning: PAM 512: Pros Limited to 1,500 pieces Purchased new from an AD a month ago Smallest-ever OP in-house P.999 movement Exposed case back 16570 (White): Pros 3186 movement (same as my 116710LN), one of the greats imo GMT function (useful for my work, albeit not totally necessary) Arguably more robust service network and brand recognition Any community input would be awesome. While I realize it will ultimately come down to what I want more, any additional reasoning would help! Last edited by bitpshr; 11 October 2014 at 10:48 AM.. Reason: 16570 in question actually has white dial, not black

11 October 2014, 12:34 PM	#11
Eric Chan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Eric Chan Location: Vancouver, BC CAN Watch: Day-Date 118238 Posts: 8,798	Explorer II. Not a fan of Pam's __________________ Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016

11 October 2014, 12:59 PM	#12
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,808	Not a PAM fan but they all look large to me so if you don't have big wrists then the Polar could be the answer although it is not small either. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

12 October 2014, 02:28 AM	#20
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	I would hold onto that PAM __________________

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View Poll Results: Would you make this trade?
PAM 512	16	34.04%
16570 (White)	31	65.96%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

11 October 2014, 10:46 AM	#2
BoomerSooner "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: USA Watch: Explorer Posts: 794	Polar

11 October 2014, 10:48 AM	#3
Silvio Mosiello "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Matthew Location: Miami/NY Watch: the shoes. Posts: 3,482	Im not too educated when it comes to Pams but ive had the 16570 ( with a 3185) and the 216570. The 16570 is definitely one of the greats and you really cant go wrong. The only thing that some people dont like is the clasp. I take it you dont like the 216570 that much? Sent from my Motorola Razor

11 October 2014, 11:24 AM	#6
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	this is a tough one.

11 October 2014, 11:27 AM	#7
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I would...

11 October 2014, 11:34 AM	#8
1995akcoop "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,162	I would go with the polar Exp2. I feel long term its a better choice along with more bang for the buck especially being a 3186 movement. Im not really feeling the direction panerai has gone into in the last few years. Im actually a new rolex convert and couldn't be more happier. Prior to owner my 1st rolex about 2 years ago I had about 4 Pams in my collection and eventually sold them off. They just didnt seem as special anymore as when I bought my pam000 back in 07'. Too many limited editions and even more special editions. It was just hard to keep up.

11 October 2014, 11:36 AM	#9
1995akcoop "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,162	I also have a polar exp2 3186 and its just perfect. very subtle yet hard not to stare at

11 October 2014, 12:23 PM	#10
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	You already have the GMT, I'd keep the 512.

11 October 2014, 01:02 PM	#13
bitpshr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NC, USA Posts: 134	I am starting to lean more forcefully towards the 16570. The 1,500 limited production count of the 512 initially was a huge point for me, but it seems that OP produces a ton of "limited editions" and "special editions" each year, greatly reducing the limited counts' perceived values to me... That 3186 movement in the 16750 is just so solid.

11 October 2014, 01:11 PM	#16
luvsub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SF, south bay Posts: 5,222	Yes

11 October 2014, 01:23 PM	#17
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	I'll buy you a polar and trade for your 512. Seriously.

11 October 2014, 02:04 PM	#18
kh1970 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Kyle Location: Virginia Watch: Changes often Posts: 266	Definitely 16570

11 October 2014, 11:17 PM	#19
ap1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,537	You better get some cash back

12 October 2014, 03:08 AM	#21
bitpshr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NC, USA Posts: 134	In the end, I decided to keep the 512 since it's in my name and limited. I think I'm just going to buy the 16570. Thanks for the input everyone!

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