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dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 06:24 AM

As I have been following some forums and sales especially on Ebay, I see that for you hard-boiled guys, original is the number 1 virtue. I am looking to buy a GMT and I must admit that, although being aware of the superiority of the 1675, I want a new-looking watch --WITH HANDS THAT GLOW!
So, There is one I found with new hands, crystal, crown -- even bracelet and it looks sharp. Why should I not get it?
Thanks

Dan Pierce · 14 May 2008, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorianmaestro

As I have been following some forums and sales especially on Ebay, I see that for you hard-boiled guys, original is the number 1 virtue. I am looking to buy a GMT and I must admit that, although being aware of the superiority of the 1675, I want a new-looking watch --WITH HANDS THAT GLOW!
So, There is one I found with new hands, crystal, crown -- even bracelet and it looks sharp. Why should I not get it?
Thanks

You should not get it if originality and the highest value is important to you. You should buy it if the price is right, it has the features you want, and you plan on keeping it for a long time. It's a great timepiece and an all time classic.

Good luck,
dP

meloncap78 · 14 May 2008, 06:33 AM

Everyone has their own personal preferences IMHO. I believe that if it suits you then you should go with it. Yes there are many people that breathe originality which is absolutely fine. There is alot of history involved in these watches and I think that original equipment is a major attribute to the love of the historical aspect to any watch collector. If history isn't a huge deal to you but you really like the watch then that becomes your preference and preferences are preferences, not rights or wrongs. It's about what makes you happy. On that note, I do however, believe that nothing else is quite a match in superiority as that of the original manufacturer. Restoration is key to happiness on this level of the plain. Cheers

dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 06:39 AM

Thanks guys -- very well put. Here is the link to what I am refering to
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=008

mike · 14 May 2008, 06:46 AM

Very nice.

That serial number puts the watch circa 1965. That's gilt dial small pointer territory.

dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 06:47 AM

I forgot to mention -- new dial as well. Can it be that it is an original replacement, I mean from that time?

jasper · 14 May 2008, 06:51 AM

I personally agree that if a watch has been been restored to like new condition, then all the better..depending of course what you are after. If you are like me and you want a useable daly wearer, but you strngly prefer the classic style, then the watch you describe seems like the one.

As has been stated here twice already though, IF you want an all original watch for the cool factor, then keep looking. I for one would go with the watch you're describing, and I don't think anyone here would look down their nose at you....why would they? You're wearing a 1675 for chrissakes !

Trust me...you don't see that many 1675's coming up. If you like this one and it's priced well for you...then buy it. I personaly targetted a 16750, and found one which appears to have been restored (but maybe it was just well preseved) and I view that as a plus.

I really do appreciate the threads which describe and depict original but tarnished old wristwatches, I totaly *get* the attraction, but I'm not attracted myself, not at this point.

The good news is that after you enjoy your old/new 1675 for a few years and decide later that you realy want an old/old watch - you can simply sell the one you have because it will be worth every penny you paid for it and more. Or you can keep it and supplement it with another wristwatch. There will always be someone there to buy a 1675, regardless of condition. I'll bet someone is buying the watch you're considering right now.

Good luck.

There's no losing this game...unless you decide to pass on the watch you've got your eye on, and you end up looking forever for a better watch which never materializes.

dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 06:53 AM

Also, it begs the question: If such a 1675--with everything original (no matter what condition) is so valuable, why would someone replace everything with new parts? He obviously knows what he is doing and has dealt with a lot of Rolexes...

mike · 14 May 2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dorianmaestro

I forgot to mention -- new dial as well. Can it be that it is an original replacement, I mean from that time?

It's a luminova service replacement dial. Dials of that era were gloss/tritium. Many of those dials were lost at service along with the hands and small 24 hr. hand.

Early replacement hands and dials were tritium and matt/white. Luminova came on to the scene around 1998. For a period of time (roughly 98-03) Rolex used luminova dials with tritium markings to use up existing dial blanks (sans illuminating compound).
Yours will be a current dial for the 1675.

dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 06:58 AM

Thanks Mike. So what's your take on getting an old horse with so much plastic surgery?

mike · 14 May 2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dorianmaestro

Thanks Mike. So what's your take on getting an old horse with so much plastic surgery?

Assuming all is as advertised, why not?

As collectors we like everything to be as original as possible. However, perhaps I part ways with the purists in some sense when a given example is beyond what I would consider collectable--damaged dial, hands or one that has been abused.

In that case replacing the dial and hands makes sense to me as it breathes new life into a storied reference.

A new GMT II will cost more than that and not have that wonderful acryllic crystal and oh so comfortable thin case. The 1675 with the work done to it will be a great everyday watch and be 100% functional.

I think that's pretty neat.

kelly56 · 14 May 2008, 07:20 AM

Looks like a nice Pepsi. I'd be all over it.

dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 07:26 AM

One other question: would any of you trust it enough to go swimming with after all these years?

mike · 14 May 2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dorianmaestro

One other question: would any of you trust it enough to go swimming with after all these years?

If properly serviced and pressure proofed certainly. I have.

Bobareno · 14 May 2008, 07:37 AM

If you like it, get it. It will be YOUR watch. Your the person that matters.

springer · 14 May 2008, 01:08 PM

If you want it to glow, I'd recommend a newer GMT. The value in the older watches is predicated on it being original. When you go to sell it, you wil have narrowed your market of potential buyers due to so many items being replaced on the watch.

The original dial and hands are a major part of the watch that collectors look for to be original. Other factors that are considered - original band, case numbers, box, booklets warranty paper, tags etc. The value of the watch you are looking at can be determined by what it would cost to replace the dial and hands with the original parts. Also, the band on the GMT you mentioned is not original to that watch; it is a later vintage band. Bands can run $1000 on up and the hands and dial could be up to another $1000. A nice vintage, original late 60's to 70's GMT watch can be purchased for $5000 to $7000, without any extra goodies.

$4000 for the that particuliar GMT is reasonable, but I wouldn't go much higher. To make it original again could cost you up to $2000, and prices for these parts get higher by the week!!!! "Original dials, bands and hands aren't being made any more!"

For $4000, you can buy a 1990's to 2000's model GMT complete with box and papers, which, in my opinion, is a better deal.

springer

dorianmaestro · 14 May 2008, 04:19 PM

Yep Springer -- that is exactly what the other half of my brain is saying. When I want to re-sell it, there will be a huge difference... Hmmmmmmm

ricnas1 · 14 May 2008, 05:05 PM

imho....

the dial wld likely be a replacement luminova dial with just the "swiss" marking, not the "swiss t<25" marking.

you can relish in the fact that you wld have a piece of gmt history albeit the new replaced parts for less than the price you'd have to fork out for a collector's piece....

an all original 1.77 mil would have a small 24 hour hand (going for abt usd1,000 in the market) plus the gilt dial (maybe abt usd2-3k and the gilt dial with the chapter ring goes for usd4-6k)....

the watch has been serviced and by rolex no less.. therefore... u can swim in it without worry, so thats good.

so basically u need to ask yrself if u just want a gmt... then u are better off with the newer models.....

i have got 4 gmts... they all look the same but its just the feel good feeling....

or u can ask mike why he's got gmts by the truckloads... lol.

14 May 2008, 06:24 AM	#1
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	GMT 1675 with replaced everything As I have been following some forums and sales especially on Ebay, I see that for you hard-boiled guys, original is the number 1 virtue. I am looking to buy a GMT and I must admit that, although being aware of the superiority of the 1675, I want a new-looking watch --WITH HANDS THAT GLOW! So, There is one I found with new hands, crystal, crown -- even bracelet and it looks sharp. Why should I not get it? Thanks

14 May 2008, 06:51 AM	#7
jasper "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: north vancouver Watch: 1680 / speedy pro Posts: 474	I personally agree that if a watch has been been restored to like new condition, then all the better..depending of course what you are after. If you are like me and you want a useable daly wearer, but you strngly prefer the classic style, then the watch you describe seems like the one. As has been stated here twice already though, IF you want an all original watch for the cool factor, then keep looking. I for one would go with the watch you're describing, and I don't think anyone here would look down their nose at you....why would they? You're wearing a 1675 for chrissakes ! Trust me...you don't see that many 1675's coming up. If you like this one and it's priced well for you...then buy it. I personaly targetted a 16750, and found one which appears to have been restored (but maybe it was just well preseved) and I view that as a plus. I really do appreciate the threads which describe and depict original but tarnished old wristwatches, I totaly get the attraction, but I'm not attracted myself, not at this point. The good news is that after you enjoy your old/new 1675 for a few years and decide later that you realy want an old/old watch - you can simply sell the one you have because it will be worth every penny you paid for it and more. Or you can keep it and supplement it with another wristwatch. There will always be someone there to buy a 1675, regardless of condition. I'll bet someone is buying the watch you're considering right now. Good luck. There's no losing this game...unless you decide to pass on the watch you've got your eye on, and you end up looking forever for a better watch which never materializes. __________________ 1997 Speedmaster Pro: Hesalite, steel back, three dials and manual wind. The classic. 1969 Submariner 1680: Very refreshed - The diver. 1950's Milus: 18k gold, manual wind, no date - the dinner watch. Seiko 6309 The perfect watch for a trip to Mexico.

14 May 2008, 07:20 AM	#12
kelly56 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Kentucky Watch: 16610 1675 Speedy Posts: 1,057	Looks like a nice Pepsi. I'd be all over it. __________________

14 May 2008, 01:08 PM	#16
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	If you want it to glow, I'd recommend a newer GMT. The value in the older watches is predicated on it being original. When you go to sell it, you wil have narrowed your market of potential buyers due to so many items being replaced on the watch. The original dial and hands are a major part of the watch that collectors look for to be original. Other factors that are considered - original band, case numbers, box, booklets warranty paper, tags etc. The value of the watch you are looking at can be determined by what it would cost to replace the dial and hands with the original parts. Also, the band on the GMT you mentioned is not original to that watch; it is a later vintage band. Bands can run $1000 on up and the hands and dial could be up to another $1000. A nice vintage, original late 60's to 70's GMT watch can be purchased for $5000 to $7000, without any extra goodies. $4000 for the that particuliar GMT is reasonable, but I wouldn't go much higher. To make it original again could cost you up to $2000, and prices for these parts get higher by the week!!!! "Original dials, bands and hands aren't being made any more!" For $4000, you can buy a 1990's to 2000's model GMT complete with box and papers, which, in my opinion, is a better deal. springer Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

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14 May 2008, 06:33 AM	#3
meloncap78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Joshua Location: Syracuse, NY Watch: LV C Posts: 2,204	Everyone has their own personal preferences IMHO. I believe that if it suits you then you should go with it. Yes there are many people that breathe originality which is absolutely fine. There is alot of history involved in these watches and I think that original equipment is a major attribute to the love of the historical aspect to any watch collector. If history isn't a huge deal to you but you really like the watch then that becomes your preference and preferences are preferences, not rights or wrongs. It's about what makes you happy. On that note, I do however, believe that nothing else is quite a match in superiority as that of the original manufacturer. Restoration is key to happiness on this level of the plain. Cheers

14 May 2008, 06:39 AM	#4
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	Thanks guys -- very well put. Here is the link to what I am refering to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=008

14 May 2008, 06:46 AM	#5
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Very nice. That serial number puts the watch circa 1965. That's gilt dial small pointer territory.

14 May 2008, 06:47 AM	#6
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	I forgot to mention -- new dial as well. Can it be that it is an original replacement, I mean from that time?

14 May 2008, 06:53 AM	#8
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	Also, it begs the question: If such a 1675--with everything original (no matter what condition) is so valuable, why would someone replace everything with new parts? He obviously knows what he is doing and has dealt with a lot of Rolexes...

14 May 2008, 06:58 AM	#10
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	Thanks Mike. So what's your take on getting an old horse with so much plastic surgery?

14 May 2008, 07:26 AM	#13
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	One other question: would any of you trust it enough to go swimming with after all these years?

14 May 2008, 07:37 AM	#15
Bobareno Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 739	If you like it, get it. It will be YOUR watch. Your the person that matters.

14 May 2008, 04:19 PM	#17
dorianmaestro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: berlin Posts: 51	Yep Springer -- that is exactly what the other half of my brain is saying. When I want to re-sell it, there will be a huge difference... Hmmmmmmm

14 May 2008, 05:05 PM	#18
ricnas1 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Nas Location: Singapore Watch: GMT II Posts: 230	imho.... the dial wld likely be a replacement luminova dial with just the "swiss" marking, not the "swiss t<25" marking. you can relish in the fact that you wld have a piece of gmt history albeit the new replaced parts for less than the price you'd have to fork out for a collector's piece.... an all original 1.77 mil would have a small 24 hour hand (going for abt usd1,000 in the market) plus the gilt dial (maybe abt usd2-3k and the gilt dial with the chapter ring goes for usd4-6k).... the watch has been serviced and by rolex no less.. therefore... u can swim in it without worry, so thats good. so basically u need to ask yrself if u just want a gmt... then u are better off with the newer models..... i have got 4 gmts... they all look the same but its just the feel good feeling.... or u can ask mike why he's got gmts by the truckloads... lol.

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