Case condition of 1967 1675

[azegami156]

I was wondering what people thought about the condition of the case of this 1967 GMT. Has this been over-polished? The lug holes are touching the bevelled edge particularly the one adjacent to the upper crown guard. I have read somewhere that the bevels of 60s sports models can be quite pronounced and for this reason it can become very close to the lug holes. I would really appreciate it if someone could give me some opinion on this please.
Kind regards

[HL65]

Watch case has been refinished and I can guess who did the work...

[redfred]

Here's a 66 unpolished example - judge for yourself.

[theflywrist]

Originally Posted by redfred

Here's a 66 unpolished example - judge for yourself.

No no no!
You don't get to show us the side profile only!
More pice please!!!!

[redfred]

Originally Posted by theflywrist

No no no!
You don't get to show us the side profile only!
More pice please!!!!

Here you go.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by redfred

Here you go.

OMG that is awesome.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by redfred

Here you go.

So sexy

[datejust24]

Originally Posted by redfred

Here you go.

I commented on your superb example 1675 yesterday and that was before I knew you had the full set...that may be one of the most pristine examples of a gilt 1675 I've ever seen on TRF...speechless my friend....you are one very very lucky man.

[rollee1]

Originally Posted by redfred

Here you go.

I am moved to tears, she's simply perfect.

[offrdmania]

Those bevels are hideous! They arent even symmetrical

[Miami Manny]

There was a member on here who bought a GMT with Fuchsia bezel about a year ago and paid $9800 when they were selling for about $7500 complete. I thought he was a fool to overpay by so much. Now, just one year later, people are actually getting $9800 for Long E, Mark I dials on GMT's with Fuchsia bezel inserts.

This watch without the insert wouldn't be worth 7k to me. With the insert perhaps its worth 8500-9k. At 10.3 it is significantly overpriced and as others have already stated it has been refinished. I don't think they did a horrendous job but, perhaps the lugs were a bit thin to attempt such an aggressive chamfer cut.

My opinion.

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

There was a member on here who bought a GMT with Fuchsia bezel about a year ago and paid $9800 when they were selling for about $7500 complete. I thought he was a fool to overpay by so much. Now, just one year later, people are actually getting $9800 for Long E, Mark I dials on GMT's with Fuchsia bezel inserts.

This watch without the insert wouldn't be worth 7k to me. With the insert perhaps its worth 8500-9k. At 10.3 it is significantly overpriced and as others have already stated it has been refinished. I don't think they did a horrendous job but, perhaps the lugs were a bit thin to attempt such an aggressive chamfer cut.

My opinion.

I don't recall seeing any good MKI/fuchsia GMTs for $7,500 a year ago, let alone 'complete' (do you mean full sets?)

[springer]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

There was a member on here who bought a GMT with Fuchsia bezel about a year ago and paid $9800 when they were selling for about $7500 complete. I thought he was a fool to overpay by so much. Now, just one year later, people are actually getting $9800 for Long E, Mark I dials on GMT's with Fuchsia bezel inserts.

This watch without the insert wouldn't be worth 7k to me. With the insert perhaps its worth 8500-9k. At 10.3 it is significantly overpriced and as others have already stated it has been refinished. I don't think they did a horrendous job but, perhaps the lugs were a bit thin to attempt such an aggressive chamfer cut.

My opinion.

Mint fuchsia inserts are bringing mint prices. Average condition inserts are in the mid-teens to $2,000 range. Take a $7500 GMT and add a nice fuchsia and it isn't hard to see why they are priced in the $9,000 and up range.

[05carbondrz]

Looks like a ABC refinish job to me,I personally can't stand refinished Cases.

[Miami Manny]

Personally I hate refinished cases as well but, I can tell you from experience that 80% of customers who buy watches from me and my other dealer buddies want refinished cases. Its money well spent because more people want refinished than not.

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Personally I hate refinished cases as well but, I can tell you from experience that 80% of customers who buy watches from me and my other dealer buddies want refinished cases. Its money well spent because more people want refinished than not.

I bet most would prefer a truly unpolished Case though.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 05carbondrz

Looks like a ABC refinish job to me,I personally can't stand refinished Cases.

This thread went in a couple of different directions, but in response to the OPs original question .... The bevels/chamfers on those lugs were excessively re-cut, obviously, but it does not look like the work of ABC, IMHO. I've seen many, many of the cases ABC has refinished, and I've never seen any with bevels/chamfers that big and overdone.

[Miami Manny]

Is anyone going to address the paperwork in Redfreds photo?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Is anyone going to address the paperwork in Redfreds photo?

What are we addressing?

[redfred]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Is anyone going to address the paperwork in Redfreds photo?

??? Paperwork as far as i am aware is legit, it is from Rolex Bexley UK and detailed on its one and only service at Bexley, from memory cost about £10.25p. Or are you seeing something I am not?

[Miami Manny]

I see a Rolex model 1015 on the papers. Maybe the Bexley paperwork shows the watch as a 1675? I would like to see that...

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

I see a Rolex model 1015 on the papers. Maybe the Bexley paperwork shows the watch as a 1675? I would like to see that...

I believe that might be a catalogue reference number. The model is blank on the paperwork. Just my opinion.

[redfred]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

I see a Rolex model 1015 on the papers. Maybe the Bexley paperwork shows the watch as a 1675? I would like to see that...

Ah no, that is their catalogue reference no. not model no. it also gives the bracelet no., at the top is stamped the serial no. There is also another number L.514 which I do not think you can see in that shot but that is also quoted on the 1971 service papers. I have seen this query brought up before on VRF and from what I can remember 1015 is traceable back to 1675 within their catologues.

[Michael M.]

It is not uncommon for paperwork from the 1960's to have been marked with the inventory number of the watch versus the serial/reference number. The papers above do appear to be correct. Not sure what all the fuss is about!

Also, I'm assuming the 1.4mil serial stamped on the top of the guarantee is the serial number?

[Miami Manny]

Bexley paper says Stainless Steel Rolex Oyster... Cant make out the rest of it.

If the Bexley paperwork doesnt mention a 1675 then I know it isn't proper and even if it does I would say that the printed serial on the top of the booklet was added after the fact and isn't original to the 1675. Too much of a coincidence to be a catalog reference number that exactly matches a model in the exact same production year.

If it said 1680 or 6265 none of us would think for s a second it was a catalog reference number but, because it isn't a sport model we brush it off :)

Even the printed numbers 146XXX on the booklet are crooked.

I don't like it and would love to see the rest of the paperwork..

[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Bexley paper says Stainless Steel Rolex Oyster... Cant make out the rest of it.

If the Bexley paperwork doesnt mention a 1675 then I know it isn't proper and even if it does I would say that the printed serial on the top of the booklet was added after the fact and isn't original to the 1675. Too much of a coincidence to be a catalog reference number that exactly matches a model in the exact same production year.

If it said 1680 or 6265 none of us would think for s a second it was a catalog reference number but, because it isn't a sport model we brush it off :)

Even the printed numbers 146XXX on the booklet are crooked.

I don't like it and would love to see the rest of the paperwork..

So you're saying a crooked stamp means that the serial has been added?
Interesting...

[Miami Manny]

I'm saying a black rubber ink stamp on a 1967 watch isn't normal and something I have seen often if ever. Add to that the numbers are crooked and do not appear to be from a vintage stamp and I don't think it is genuine.

It is also a darker and different shade of black ink from the Dealer stamp on the bottom. For these reasons I do not feel the serial stamp is genuine or that the booklet is for a 1675 GMT.

A photo of the other supporting paperwork will go a long way in determining if it is or not.

[Miami Manny]

Vincent: No full sets. Fuchsia inserts on mark I's were selling for about 7500-8000 and then one forum member stepped up and paid $9800 for his from Jacek.

After that it set a baseline for pricing and the prices for these Mark I's with fuchsia's have seen a remarkable price increase that has now caught up to the original high price paid.

Point I am making is that with vintage even if you pay more for something you like now and "overpay" chances are that the market will continue to rise and will ultimately catch up with the price you paid. Doesnt mean you didn't overpay, just means that prices keep rising.

[Vincent65]

Manny - If you say so!

[lee fowler]

This should answer the 1015 reference it is from a 1968 UK Catalogue and look at the price!! Also my one owner 1675 has 1015/6636 on the paperwork as well and is also hand written.