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kklee76 · 27 July 2008, 01:48 AM

Hi, all, came across some articles in web saying Explorer II may come with 3186. Any idea how true it is and how to test it (wiggle test again?)? thanks

Tools · 27 July 2008, 01:52 AM

It's true...

The latest Explorer II's are outfitted with the 3186. This apparently is the standard GMT movement for Rolex now.

Trurolexer · 27 July 2008, 01:55 AM

WELCOME TO TRF, Pal!!!

Hope You Enjoy your Stay Here!!!

Wolfgang427 · 27 July 2008, 02:50 AM

Welcome.

Larry's correct, go see which one you like better at an AD before you buy one.

dbernard01 · 27 July 2008, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kklee76

Hi, all, came across some articles in web saying Explorer II may come with 3186. Any idea how true it is and how to test it (wiggle test again?)? thanks

True -True - True!

Got one 3 weeks ago.

db

CPTL · 27 July 2008, 06:01 AM

This one is an M, and it passes the wiggle test.

jmsrolls · 27 July 2008, 07:47 AM

Here's my "M"/3186 that not only passed the "wiggle" test but also the "eyeball" test":

Fr. John+

at7724 · 27 July 2008, 07:54 AM

excuse my ignorance, but what is the wiggle test?

Z-Sub · 27 July 2008, 05:18 PM

Yes it has 3186.
When you adjust the date by turning the hour hand, all other hands used to move or wiggle quite a bit but not for the 3186.

at7724 · 27 July 2008, 06:41 PM

thanks

dweller · 27 July 2008, 09:56 PM

Yes I have a Z8xxxx serial that passes the wiggle test. There is a cool clip on youtube showing the famous " wiggle test" the difference is very apparenet between the to movements when setting the date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI

karmatp · 27 July 2008, 11:08 PM

Thanks for the link dweller, I have never done it or seen it before.

John, I love your avaitor.

JJ Irani · 28 July 2008, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dweller

Yes I have a Z8xxxx serial that passes the wiggle test. There is a cool clip on youtube showing the famous " wiggle test" the difference is very apparenet between the to movements when setting the date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI

I had a long, hard look at that Youtube link, but found absolutely no difference between what was shown there and my experience with the GMT-IIs and Exp-IIs that I've owned.

What am I missing and how exactly does this "Wiggle Test" differ from the older movement?

Tools · 28 July 2008, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

What am I missing and how exactly does this "Wiggle Test" differ from the older movement?

JJ,
There is absolutely no functional difference in these two mevements.

All Rolex did was move the detent wheel for the Mercedes Jump function away from the hand stack. This now means that when you move the Mercedes hand, there is no interaction or "wiggle" to the 24 hr hand.

JJ Irani · 28 July 2008, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

JJ,
There is absolutely no functional difference in these two mevements.

All Rolex did was move the detent wheel for the Mercedes Jump function away from the hand stack. This now means that when you move the Mercedes hand, there is no interaction or "wiggle" to the 24 hr hand.

That's my point exactly, Larry. I watched that video link twice and found no difference between that supposedly 3186 movement and the 3185s that I've owned.

JJ

explodingtaco · 28 July 2008, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That's my point exactly, Larry. I watched that video link twice and found no difference between that supposedly 3186 movement and the 3185s that I've owned.

JJ

I could not tell if the gmt hand moved but the minute had definitely moved especially when he changed directions.

DSJ · 28 July 2008, 07:28 AM

While I wouldn't hang my hat on this statement, I would say that any Explorer II with the RBR (rehaut engraving) has a very high likelihood of having the 3186 movement in it.

dweller · 28 July 2008, 10:00 AM

Agreed that the hour hand still has a very slight bounce to it BUT all the 16710 and 16750's with 3185's I have had, (atleast 5)

the difference in the wiggle on the GMT hand is very noticable, the GMT hand show's a true bounce/wiggle when setting the hour hand on the 3186 movement there is NO bounce/wiggle to the GMT hand.

I also figure all EXP. II's with rehaut engraving would have the 3186.

Now I need to find or maybe someone can make the quick video clip with a 3185 movement setting/moving the hour hand..

dweller · 28 July 2008, 10:13 AM

Found this youtube vid, a little boring but towards the end he shows how to set the date and hour hand and you can clearly see the difference between the 3185 and 3186 movement while setting, the hour hand also has significant bounce/wiggle to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RAJWQoosE

aelvin · 28 July 2008, 10:44 AM

Thanks for the clear explanation and video demo, finally i see the difference between 3185 and 3186!!!

Z-Sub · 28 July 2008, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That's my point exactly, Larry. I watched that video link twice and found no difference between that supposedly 3186 movement and the 3185s that I've owned.

JJ

You'll need to look at the GMT and minute hand closely when moving the hour handonly. this happens only when the second hand is still moving, meaning the first click.
when you pulled it all the way to second click, then wiggle test does not apply.

27 July 2008, 01:48 AM	#1
kklee76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1	Explorer II with 3186 cal Hi, all, came across some articles in web saying Explorer II may come with 3186. Any idea how true it is and how to test it (wiggle test again?)? thanks

27 July 2008, 01:52 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	It's true... The latest Explorer II's are outfitted with the 3186. This apparently is the standard GMT movement for Rolex now. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

27 July 2008, 06:01 AM	#6
CPTL "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Texas on my mind Watch: Sub Date; SS/WG DJ Posts: 2,445	This one is an M, and it passes the wiggle test. Attached Images __________________ 16610 Submariner Date; D Serial 16234 DateJust SS with WG Fluted Bezel & Jubillee, White Roman Dial; F Serial 16570 Explorer II White Dial; M Serial And Hers: 78240 Mid-Size DateJust SS with Domed Bezel & Oyster, White Roman; D Serial

27 July 2008, 05:18 PM	#9
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	Yes it has 3186. When you adjust the date by turning the hour hand, all other hands used to move or wiggle quite a bit but not for the 3186. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

27 July 2008, 09:56 PM	#11
dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 249	wiggle test Yes I have a Z8xxxx serial that passes the wiggle test. There is a cool clip on youtube showing the famous " wiggle test" the difference is very apparenet between the to movements when setting the date. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI Attached Images

27 July 2008, 01:55 AM	#3
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	WELCOME TO TRF, Pal!!! Hope You Enjoy your Stay Here!!!

27 July 2008, 02:50 AM	#4
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	Welcome. Larry's correct, go see which one you like better at an AD before you buy one.

27 July 2008, 07:47 AM	#7
jmsrolls Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,185	Here's my "M"/3186 that not only passed the "wiggle" test but also the "eyeball" test": Fr. John+

27 July 2008, 07:54 AM	#8
at7724 Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Home! Posts: 148	excuse my ignorance, but what is the wiggle test?

27 July 2008, 06:41 PM	#10
at7724 Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Home! Posts: 148	thanks

27 July 2008, 11:08 PM	#12
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	Thanks for the link dweller, I have never done it or seen it before. John, I love your avaitor.

28 July 2008, 07:28 AM	#17
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	While I wouldn't hang my hat on this statement, I would say that any Explorer II with the RBR (rehaut engraving) has a very high likelihood of having the 3186 movement in it. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

28 July 2008, 10:00 AM	#18
dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 249	wiggle Agreed that the hour hand still has a very slight bounce to it BUT all the 16710 and 16750's with 3185's I have had, (atleast 5) the difference in the wiggle on the GMT hand is very noticable, the GMT hand show's a true bounce/wiggle when setting the hour hand on the 3186 movement there is NO bounce/wiggle to the GMT hand. I also figure all EXP. II's with rehaut engraving would have the 3186. Now I need to find or maybe someone can make the quick video clip with a 3185 movement setting/moving the hour hand..

28 July 2008, 10:13 AM	#19
dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 249	Wiggle 3185 test Found this youtube vid, a little boring but towards the end he shows how to set the date and hour hand and you can clearly see the difference between the 3185 and 3186 movement while setting, the hour hand also has significant bounce/wiggle to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RAJWQoosE

28 July 2008, 10:44 AM	#20
aelvin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Aelvin Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 330	Thanks for the clear explanation and video demo, finally i see the difference between 3185 and 3186!!!

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