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WristEnvy · 29 July 2016, 12:14 AM

So this an oranges to apples comparison, but which would you choose? Either option would be preowned.

I have a few watches with GMT complications and a few with no date today. The main thing attracting me with the 233 is the Superdome and I love GMTs, but I love the simplicity of the 111. Oh yeah and the 111 is half the price too.

If you had the choice of either as your only PAM which would it be?

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nick c · 29 July 2016, 12:16 AM

Start at 111g and finish 233

Cru Jones · 29 July 2016, 01:35 AM

between these two, if funds allow, 233 all day every day.

ManUtd · 29 July 2016, 02:17 AM

I'd go with the 233.

B. Doggy · 29 July 2016, 02:24 AM

111 for me, but I am biased.

Coffes4closers · 29 July 2016, 02:37 AM

Both are excellent in my opinion and I have worn both extensively. The 233 takes the cake. The domed crystal, case shape, 8 day movement, gorgeous dial etc just win. It is the most beautiful Panerai (in my humble opinion) and cures the itch in its entirety. Best of luck!

stockae92 · 29 July 2016, 06:09 AM

For me, it would be 111. It checks all the marks for me: manual wind, 44mm Luminor case, display back, screw lugs.

While I really like the 233 case and crystal, the dial is just too busy for me.

The bonus for the 111 would be you will have additional funds for another watch :D

Al1969 · 29 July 2016, 04:28 PM

From someone that owned the 111 a couple of times(and flipped them) , I'd vote 233 all day.

MoonExplorer · 29 July 2016, 04:31 PM

233. If I were to own only one Panerai, it'll definitely be the 233.

kilyung · 29 July 2016, 11:26 PM

Easy choice. Unless it's a 111G, I'd go 233 (dot preferably).

travisb · 29 July 2016, 11:28 PM

Easy. 233!

eal15 · 29 July 2016, 11:56 PM

No brained for me, 233. 1950 case, in house movement, best gmt on he market to me. Easy choice there!

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Ruud Van Driver · 30 July 2016, 12:06 AM

Another vote for the 233 here. I love most of the 1950 Luminor models but the 233 looks fantastic

eyeheartny · 30 July 2016, 02:33 PM

233!!!

Watcheroo · 31 July 2016, 05:24 AM

The 233 is a pleasure to wear

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brandon13 · 2 August 2016, 12:02 PM

There truly is no question. 233, hands down.

BNA/LION · 2 August 2016, 12:18 PM

233 looks great and is getting a lot of Love here!

DOUBLE 0 SE7EN · 2 August 2016, 03:12 PM

No doubt the 233 ..

Mr Kram · 2 August 2016, 03:18 PM

233 all day

lig · 2 August 2016, 05:01 PM

I really like the base Panerai. My one and only is a sausage dial 111F.

Sausage Dial 111 by j c, on Flickr

IMO ETA never looked as good as in these pieces...

Untitled by j c, on Flickr

Cru Jones · 2 August 2016, 06:20 PM

^ Very nice! You're right about the movement finishing.

Just to say, a "base" Panerai is exclusively a 2-hander.

lig · 3 August 2016, 02:05 AM

Oopsie! Thnx, Cru. I mistakenly assumed it referred to complications beyond a second hand.

Much appreciated!

Travelller · 3 August 2016, 07:30 AM

Guess...

Travelller · 3 August 2016, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lig

...My one and only is a sausage dial 111F.

Touché

I have a 111G/F/E on my short wish list - a very nice PAM for so many reasons

Urosfan · 3 August 2016, 08:18 AM

I have the 111 , but if it's only one Pam and like cru said funds allow I'd go 233

Psmith · 4 August 2016, 12:44 AM

Also consider the 510, which is essentially a 111 with an 8-day in-house movement.

Speed · 4 August 2016, 04:37 AM

Apart from the domed Crystal, is the rest of the case the same as a 312?

lig · 4 August 2016, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelller

Touché

I have a 111G/F/E on my short wish list - a very nice PAM for so many reasons

Would ideally have a 233 and early 111.

elchicomalo · 4 August 2016, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed

Apart from the domed Crystal, is the rest of the case the same as a 312?

No, a little thinner due to its manual wind as compared to the rotor of the 312

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rebel_1 · 4 August 2016, 06:17 AM

I love the look of the 233. I had one for a couple of years. In the end, I flipped it due to perceived issues with the movement and I just didn't wear it enough. It's a pretty big watch for starters and once I started wearing Rolexes and Pateks, I just started preferring smaller pieces. Given the choice of a 233 or a 111, I'd choose the 233 all day long. Remember that the GMT function is really on the subdial. The arrow hand is really just a second time zone not a true 24 hour GMT hand.

Here's the one I used to have. I really liked it on the OEM black distressed strap.

29 July 2016, 12:14 AM	#1
WristEnvy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Ray Location: Berkeley, CA Watch: IG @watch.kakashi Posts: 2,579	PAM 233 or 111 So this an oranges to apples comparison, but which would you choose? Either option would be preowned. I have a few watches with GMT complications and a few with no date today. The main thing attracting me with the 233 is the Superdome and I love GMTs, but I love the simplicity of the 111. Oh yeah and the 111 is half the price too. If you had the choice of either as your only PAM which would it be? Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

29 July 2016, 02:17 AM	#4
ManUtd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Eric Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 1,613	I'd go with the 233. __________________ 116520 116610LN 126334 126600 PAM986

29 July 2016, 02:24 AM	#5
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	111 for me, but I am biased. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

29 July 2016, 06:09 AM	#7
stockae92 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 4,964	For me, it would be 111. It checks all the marks for me: manual wind, 44mm Luminor case, display back, screw lugs. While I really like the 233 case and crystal, the dial is just too busy for me. The bonus for the 111 would be you will have additional funds for another watch :D __________________ 135 ├┼┼╕ 246 R

29 July 2016, 04:28 PM	#8
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,640	From someone that owned the 111 a couple of times(and flipped them) , I'd vote 233 all day. Attached Images __________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

29 July 2016, 12:16 AM	#2
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Start at 111g and finish 233

29 July 2016, 01:35 AM	#3
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,300	between these two, if funds allow, 233 all day every day.

29 July 2016, 02:37 AM	#6
Coffes4closers "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: NYC Posts: 326	Both are excellent in my opinion and I have worn both extensively. The 233 takes the cake. The domed crystal, case shape, 8 day movement, gorgeous dial etc just win. It is the most beautiful Panerai (in my humble opinion) and cures the itch in its entirety. Best of luck!

29 July 2016, 04:31 PM	#9
MoonExplorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Manila Posts: 79	233. If I were to own only one Panerai, it'll definitely be the 233.

29 July 2016, 11:26 PM	#10
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Easy choice. Unless it's a 111G, I'd go 233 (dot preferably).

29 July 2016, 11:28 PM	#11
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,493	Easy. 233!

29 July 2016, 11:56 PM	#12
eal15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Everett Location: GTA, Canada Watch: Audemars Piguet 15 Posts: 789	No brained for me, 233. 1950 case, in house movement, best gmt on he market to me. Easy choice there! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

30 July 2016, 12:06 AM	#13
Ruud Van Driver "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chopped Liver Location: S. Wales Valleys Watch: Mickey Mouse Posts: 9,926	Another vote for the 233 here. I love most of the 1950 Luminor models but the 233 looks fantastic __________________ 116520 Black, 116610 LVc, 116660 D-Blue, 116610 LNc, 116622 Blue, PAM359, PAM689, PAM737 *"Why should you allow an AD to shake you down, just so you can buy a watch" - Grady Philpott* Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

30 July 2016, 02:33 PM	#14
eyeheartny "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 258	233!!!

31 July 2016, 05:24 AM	#15
Watcheroo 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,927	The 233 is a pleasure to wear Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2 August 2016, 12:02 PM	#16
brandon13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Miami Posts: 113	There truly is no question. 233, hands down. Attached Images

2 August 2016, 12:18 PM	#17
BNA/LION 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,658	233 looks great and is getting a lot of Love here! __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

2 August 2016, 03:12 PM	#18
DOUBLE 0 SE7EN "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: KAAN Location: ISTANBUL Watch: Explorer-PAM233 Posts: 1,648	No doubt the 233 ..

2 August 2016, 03:18 PM	#19
Mr Kram "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Mark Location: Los Angeles Posts: 876	233 all day

2 August 2016, 05:01 PM	#20
lig "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: PacNW Watch: Enthusiast Posts: 2,611	I really like the base Panerai. My one and only is a sausage dial 111F. Sausage Dial 111 by j c, on Flickr IMO ETA never looked as good as in these pieces... Untitled by j c, on Flickr

2 August 2016, 06:20 PM	#21
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,300	^ Very nice! You're right about the movement finishing. Just to say, a "base" Panerai is exclusively a 2-hander.

3 August 2016, 02:05 AM	#22
lig "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: PacNW Watch: Enthusiast Posts: 2,611	Oopsie! Thnx, Cru. I mistakenly assumed it referred to complications beyond a second hand. Much appreciated!

3 August 2016, 07:30 AM	#23
Travelller 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: VIE Watch: my sig. ;) Posts: 3,091	Guess... __________________ Traveller - Genève * Melbourne * Miami * Wien Breitling AVI 765r Navitimer 806r Omega 3572.50 SM300MC Speedy Tuesday Caliber 321 Panerai 111 217 233 Rolex 16600 126600 Seiko SBGA125 SBDX001 SLA017 SLA025 SLA033 Tudor 5B GMT Zénith A386ME Other Mühle Glashütte S.A.R. Flieger Chronoswiss Tora

3 August 2016, 08:18 AM	#25
Urosfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Watch: Me now Posts: 19,372	I have the 111 , but if it's only one Pam and like cru said funds allow I'd go 233

4 August 2016, 12:44 AM	#26
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Also consider the 510, which is essentially a 111 with an 8-day in-house movement. __________________

4 August 2016, 04:37 AM	#27
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Apart from the domed Crystal, is the rest of the case the same as a 312?

4 August 2016, 06:17 AM	#30
rebel_1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 2,132	I love the look of the 233. I had one for a couple of years. In the end, I flipped it due to perceived issues with the movement and I just didn't wear it enough. It's a pretty big watch for starters and once I started wearing Rolexes and Pateks, I just started preferring smaller pieces. Given the choice of a 233 or a 111, I'd choose the 233 all day long. Remember that the GMT function is really on the subdial. The arrow hand is really just a second time zone not a true 24 hour GMT hand. Here's the one I used to have. I really liked it on the OEM black distressed strap. Attached Images __________________ Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017

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