Black Bay: ETA vs in house

[doramas]

What Black Bay do they recommend to me to buy?
The movement ETA or does movement manufacture?
In a future which will be revalued more?





Enviado desde mi SM-G930F mediante Tapatalk

[pearson1995]

IMO the ETA will be more popular and sought after in the future.

[breitlings]

Well before the rumour that the new movement is replaced not serviced I am not sure.

[Boothroyd]

I am biased, but am glad to have picked up the old model. ETA runs consistently +4, it's easily serviceable and I prefer the look of the old dial and bracelet.

[AK797]

I prefer the bracelet and dial of the ETA. I just had a look at used prices and they seem to be a fair bit higher than retail on these and very few around.

[slide13]

If you look at potential collectability 10+ years down the road, I think the ETA version will likely be in more demand. It wasn't made long in black with the rose dial and it's the original version of the BB.

If you want it on a bracelet, I think there is an argument to be made to pick the ETA based on that as the new bracelet with the faux rivets is a lot busier and just not as clean looking in my opinion.

The new movement sounds nice though...if I was looking to buy a new one on a strap and didn't care about future collectability then I might consider the new in-house version. I don't like the dial as much, but I could live with it (unlike the bracelet change) and the 70hr power reserve would be cool. My only concern would be long term servicing and what it would be like to get a repair done 20yrs from now. With an ETA 2824 there is obviously no concern but this is a new movement without much history. Probably not an issue, but certainly a concern to at least give some consideration.

I picked up the last ETA BBN from a local dealer just days before they got their first in-house versions in. I knew the new ones were coming and decided I wanted the ETA version in large part because of the bracelet. I'm very happy with my decision.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by doramas

What Black Bay do they recommend to me to buy?
The movement ETA or does movement manufacture?
In a future which will be revalued more?

If we had the answers to what the future holds we would all be out getting the "right" one.

ETA movements power most of the worlds fine watches. It's unlikely that this will make much difference in future values; something else will be the driver for collectors. (who actually drive used values)

Get the one you like. You will probably not be around when folks are truly debating values of one or the other

[brucethemanlee]

buy the one that you will wear and looks pleasing to your eye. forget about collectability because in 15-20-30 years - who will know which one is more "collectible"

personally I like the tudor rose on the dial and "smiley" self winding

[porschedude]

I like the ETA more and have been daily wearing for about 2 years. I don't mind the in house movement at all but the bracelet and new dial configuration is not near as pleasing to me.

[Black Bay Dan]

I am biased as I own the original and much prefer the Tudor Rose dial and Oyster bracelet of the ETA model. Good luck.

Dan

[Kevin of Larchmont]

My money is on ETA for all of the reasons stated above.

[ap1]

eta

[BigAl72]

Originally Posted by Air King Dan

I am biased as I own the original and much prefer the Tudor Rose dial and Oyster bracelet of the ETA model. Good luck.

Dan

X2


Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

[Orangejoe]

Like real estate, they are not making the Rose dial anymore. So it will certainly:

1 Lose value
or
2 Retain value
or
3 Go up in value

Unless you are asking about putting a couple of mint examples away on the safe (in which case, buy the ETA), I'd say buy and wear the one you enjoy looking at the most.

[porschedude]

I really hope I like the rivet bracelet after I see in person.

[ZeKe]

ETA wins hands-down for me.
1. Better looking dial (subjective)
2. More authentic dial to vintage models (objective)
3. Thinner case than in-house calibre (objective).
4. Short run for ETA black model makes it feel more special to me (subjective/objective)

Both great pieces....and 70 hr power reserve for in-house is very nice...can't go wrong either way.

[Jakx]

As one who has just gotten the ETA BBn (running +5spd), I have no regrets not picking the new movement. It's a sort of neo-classic and I'm attracted to the very short production run of the BBn ETA. Can't predict its collectibility but at least there is more of a chance of that than any other Montres Rolex products in recent years (to my knowledge).

[Glidelock]

I chose to get the ETA on my BB Red for many reasons. I prefer the look of the Rose Dial, it will be super easy to have serviced, I prefer the case dimensions, and....yes, theirs always that possibility that it will become ever so slightly collectible at some point!

[doramas]

Thanks

[Orangejoe]

Originally Posted by ZeKe

ETA wins hands-down for me.
1. Better looking dial (subjective)
2. More authentic dial to vintage models (objective)
3. Thinner case than in-house calibre (objective). Same case from all reports I've read. Bubble back. Right?
4. Short run for ETA black model makes it feel more special to me (subjective/objective)

Both great pieces....and 70 hr power reserve for in-house is very nice...can't go wrong either way.

123456789Characters

[slide13]

Yeah, case is the same but the back sticks out more, similar Rolex casebacks instead of the very flat one on the ETA. Having tried one on, that didn't bother me at all, still sat very nicely on the wrist I thought.

[sinncollector]

i am a bit confused. i thought having an "in-house" movement is something highly desirable in WIS community? and in tudor's case, it is especially more so since it has 70 hours of power reserve?

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by sinncollector

i am a bit confused. i thought having an "in-house" movement is something highly desirable in WIS community? and in tudor's case, it is especially more so since it has 70 hours of power reserve?

It most certainly is...

All this ETA flummery is pretty ridiculous...i mean it's ok, but it's just a 2824..

The in house BB movement is much nicer. Smoother winding and huge power reserve for an excellent price.

[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by sinncollector

i am a bit confused. i thought having an "in-house" movement is something highly desirable in WIS community? and in tudor's case, it is especially more so since it has 70 hours of power reserve?

Generally speaking it is but for many it doesn't outweigh the trade offs in cost and aesthetics.

[GB-man]

Many prefer the eta because of the Rose dial and relatively short run of BBN. All things equal I think many would prefer the in house movement but not at the expense of the dial.

[slide13]

Originally Posted by sinncollector

i am a bit confused. i thought having an "in-house" movement is something highly desirable in WIS community? and in tudor's case, it is especially more so since it has 70 hours of power reserve?

There are a few factors at play here.

• Tudor has a history of using ETA movements so it's a traditional choice
• The ETA versions have a dial that is better liked by most
• ETA version has a cleaner/simpler bracelet without the faux rivets
• ETA version will be easily serviced in the future by any watchmaker as 2824 movement is easily worked on and parts are easily sourced
• In-House movement will possibly limit one to Rolex service in the future
• In-House movement is still pretty new and without a proven track record
• Rumors of possible movement replcaement instead of service by Rolex Service Center

I chose the ETA for myself but I think the in-house is nice too. I wanted the watch on a bracelet and I really dislike the new bracelet so that was a big factor in my decision. If I was buying on a strap it would have been a tougher choice.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Tools

If we had the answers to what the future holds we would all be out getting the "right" one.

ETA movements power most of the worlds fine watches. It's unlikely that this will make much difference in future values; something else will be the driver for collectors. (who actually drive used values)

Get the one you like. You will probably not be around when folks are truly debating values of one or the other

/thread

[sechsgang]

I think if we were looking at watches costing 10-20k the in house vs standard ETA movement argument would hold a lot more weight in the debate. However, at $2.5-3.5k price level, the aesthetics and character have a non-standard abundance of importance for this watch. Above everything, it's about the simplest rule in overall "collecting" (whether that be for profit vs just collecting for fun) that the shortest production runs lead to greater values down the road. That's just history/near-fact...however, even if the BBN eta were to HYPOTHETICALLY DOUBLE in value in 10 years...we're still only talking about a watch worth MAYBE 5k which doesn't really do much for your bottom line. So in the end get what you enjoy...however I know I enjoy my BBN eta a ton, so thats all that matters for me!

[Wcdhtwn]

So I heard... and before I go on I'm looking more for verification than trying to spread a rumor... that ETA's are going to be difficult to service in the future.

I was told by someone who seems to meet the qualifications of a WIS that since ETA was purchased (by swatch maybe? I forget) that the purchaser was killing the ETA movement. The company has agreements with a couple of watch brands that use ETA's to continue servicing them but all other brands using them will not be able to get parts or servicing. This begins in a couple of years, if I recall what he told me correctly. Now Rolex/Tudor may be one of the few companies that will be able to get parts/service but I'm not sure how you'd find that out. Admittedly I haven't tried the master of the universe, Google.

So if he was correct I would have to recommend against anything with an ETA for fear of it not being repairable in a few years if something were to happen. And no this guy was not trying to sell me a watch, nor does he work at a watch store.

[Jakx]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Many prefer the eta because of the Rose dial and relatively short run of BBN. All things equal I think many would prefer the in house movement but not at the expense of the dial.