Is it real? Dealer said "counterfeit"

[Montebay]

Hi all,

I am not looking to sell this, or get it appraised by anyone here. I inherited it from my Dad and took it to the local Rolex dealer to find out about getting a link for the band and having it serviced. Their Rolex "guy" spent about 30 seconds looking at it, then told me it is a counterfeit. He said the dial is fake, and if he sent it to Rolex for service it would be confiscated.

So a little help please for a guy that does not know anything about the Rolex world. Is it possible that it's a fake, even with the box and tags, and the serial numbers? Could the dial be fake and the rest of the watch be real? If it's a fake dial, can a real dial be put back on without the watch being confiscated by Rolex?
Thanks for any help I can get on this.

[GolfPunk]

It is real I think. A lot of BS comes from the mouths of AD's

[tomchicago]

I'm not expert but it looks pretty legit to me. If it's a fake, it's a very good fake, at least to my naive eyes

[tifosi]

If the dial is not real or maybe modified, Rolex will not confiscate the whole watch. They will only replace the dial and confiscate the old dial.

I can't help with the authentication. sorry.

[dreamcar88]

go to another store....

[themast]

OP, wait for member Crowncollection to chime in. He is an authority when it comes to DayDate.

[Fensterdub]

This looks real to me. Nice barked centre links. The dial could be a retro fit with the diamonds etc. Take it to another AD and keep us posted.

[ferrissteve11]

Echoing other sentiments...try another AD

[irish john]

looking at the 1 oclock and 2 oclock markers the black index is above the lume

or has the lume fallen off ??

[Boaters]

Looks 100% real to me

[Alpino]

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All seems legit for this 1979 18078, except the dial as previously said (have a look to the following picture showing a genuine diamond dial for a 18078, diamonds are a lot differents).

President bracelet 8723 and case have all the required stamps. Just check if the S/N between lugs at 6h is the same as on the green tag).


Do you still have the warranty card ? if yes can you find on it a ref# in the form R180788xxB8723 ? that could help determine which dial was on the Watch initially.
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[bayerische]

Real watch with an aftermarket dial. Rolex won't confiscate it, but they won't service it either.

So many AD's speak from where the sun don't shine.

[tifosi]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Real watch with an aftermarket dial. Rolex won't confiscate it, but they won't service it either.

So many AD's speak from where the sun don't shine.

RSC won't just require a dial replacement to what it was born with? Or they won't touch it at all?

[Fensterdub]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Real watch with an aftermarket dial. Rolex won't confiscate it, but they won't service it either.

So many AD's speak from where the sun don't shine.

You're right, it's irritating. Especially such a throw away comment about the OP's father's watch, I'm sure it wasn't nice to hear.

I think it looks great, the barked links are superb, it's a nice thing to have from your Dad.

[duffman]

Looks real to me, Ive bought and sold lots of barks

[swils8610]

Looks good to me. Maybe the dial is aftermarket. Have it serviced with an independent. Try Rik from Time Care Inc.


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[breitlings]

I'm inclined to say it is real too with an aftermarket dial. Mine has a tapestry dial it looks great with the bark.

[Masteryacht]

Is it glare or is the gold wearing off in the second photo?

[fjkyle]

Wow the dial looks way different than the posted authentic after. The markings, the lume, the diamonds. Everything.

[kilyung]

the weight should be a dead giveaway insofar as authenticity. I'd look for another AD or work directly with RSC and tell them you want a new dial in addition to the link and service.

[Etschell]

it appears to be genuine. i would get a second opinion. here is a similar example

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20767...mp%3B+Co.+Dial

[AK797]

Originally Posted by kilyung

the weight should be a dead giveaway insofar as authenticity. I'd look for another AD or work directly with RSC and tell them you want a new dial in addition to the link and service.

Yup the weight is telling, and it looks heavy and well hallmarked from here. Maybe dial is fake, I don't like the baguettes, but if so easily swapped out by RSC.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by AK797

Yup the weight is telling, and it looks heavy and well hallmarked from here. Maybe dial is fake but if so easily swapped out by RSC.

i dont think any of it is fake.

[Malibuboy]

Originally Posted by kilyung

the weight should be a dead giveaway insofar as authenticity. I'd look for another AD or work directly with RSC and tell them you want a new dial in addition to the link and service.

+1

check the weight. if you can, use RSC. go to the source.

[Datejus]

Imagine if you took the AD's word for it and threw it away.

[sutats]

Hi, you may want to post it in the Vintage Rolex Discussion sub-forum so that your question gets the attention it deserves.

[crowncollection]

Watch is authentic, the dial is not authentic or modded at the least


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[landroverking]

The dealer is a fake. Lol.

[azguy]

10000% real IMHO, dials are funny. Rolex used many makers for these. If anything is non-Rolex it could be the dial but 'big deal" Rolex could replace it or better yet find a champagne dial and send the watch to a high quality, respected independent watch maker.

[Relyt]

Test the gold. If it's real I would say real lol.

It does look good though!
Take it to an experienced watch maker to have serviced. I always hear SOMEONE having problems with an AD/service center. Very rarely do I hear complaints about watchmakers.


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