Is $29k too high for this GMT?

[lock0ut]

In the inspection period for the watch below - did I overpay ($29k) or is it a keeper?

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...line-dial-8975

[Tom1675]

Ask yourself if it is ~$12k or ~42% better than these?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...gilt+underline

or this one with a fuchsia insert?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...gilt+underline

[lpestre]

Originally Posted by Tom1675

Ask yourself if it is ~$12k or ~42% better than these?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...gilt+underline

or this one with a fuchsia insert?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...gilt+underline

I think Tom reply perfectly with the second link ;)

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by lock0ut

In the inspection period for the watch below - did I overpay ($29k) or is it a keeper?

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...line-dial-8975

Thats big money in what could be a softening market.

[lock0ut]

Tom's links are to the same guy at HQ Milton I'm bought the watch from - so I would assume the price is reflecting the condition

[roh123]

Originally Posted by lock0ut

Tom's links are to the same guy at HQ Milton I'm bought the watch from - so I would assume the price is reflecting the condition

Condition and rarity.

Your watch is prized as would be expected from a trusted well-known dealer.

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by roh123

Condition and rarity.

Your watch is prized as would be expected from a trusted well-known dealer.

Absolutely! My post was not a criticism of the seller or the price the buyer paid at all... just posting a couple of examples for perspective and to spur discussion.

[Kingface66]

It's definitely a lot of money. Non-original/non-period correct bracelet, slightly damaged dial, corrosion on hands, beat-up insert. I guess this is where we're at with these examples now.

[lock0ut]

So the general consensus is "too high", correct?

[doubleinfive]

It depends on what you're going to do with it now that you own it...

[Likestheshiny]

It's a fair price from a reliable dealer if you want to pay extra for the things that make it a rare watch.

[Vaxe]

X2

Originally Posted by kingface66

it's definitely a lot of money. Non-original/non-period correct bracelet, slightly damaged dial, corrosion on hands, beat-up insert. I guess this is where we're at with these examples now.

[btinl]

It's a nice looking watch. It just depends on if it was worth $29k to you.

[U5512]

Originally Posted by lock0ut

In the inspection period for the watch below - did I overpay ($29k) or is it a keeper?

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...line-dial-8975

Sounds like a buyer's remorse to me. Should have done your research and ask questions prior to purchase. Sure, you can return it but why waste the seller's time?

[lock0ut]

Originally Posted by U5512

Sounds like a buyer's remorse to me. Should have done your research and ask questions prior to purchase. Sure, you can return it but why waste the seller's time?

Because it's better to waste time than my money. Welcome to capitalism.

[Watchflair]

Originally Posted by lock0ut

In the inspection period for the watch below - did I overpay ($29k) or is it a keeper?

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...line-dial-8975

I'm sure you did research and checked out other pieces prior to pulling the trigger on this one... if not

What does your gut tell you?

Gilt Dial. Underline Dial. Unpolished. Serviced. Is it too much money? Not necessarily. IMHO these are going to start to climb steadily as the vintage Rolex market shows it has been holding fairly decently over the past few years and GMT's are finally riding the wave.

The bracelet - eh? Not sure that would bother me but I would seek out a period correct bracelet for it which should not be too costly and you can sell the current bracelet to offset the cost.

Enjoy it regardless! I'm sure it will look awesome on the wrist. The Hi Def photos don't do it justice.

[roh123]

If we are going to be honest I would personally spend 29k buying a perfect later glossy gilt rather than one with a less perfect, less glossy dial. Rarity is one thing but I think the market values quality higher than rarity on models such as 1675. That said; if you like it you still have a gorgeous GMT to keep. A perfect example is however easier to turn if you ever want to sell it.

[jb335]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Thats big money in what could be a softening market.

You have seen evidence of the market softening? I haven't paid enough attention to the market to have an opinion, I thought the consensus was the market was still climbing though. As if anyone can really know though....I get it.

[theflywrist]

Originally Posted by roh123

If we are going to be honest I would personally spend 29k buying a perfect later glossy gilt rather than one with a less perfect, less glossy dial. Rarity is one thing but I think the market values quality higher than rarity on models such as 1675. That said; if you like it you still have a gorgeous GMT to keep. A perfect example is however easier to turn if you ever want to sell it.

I have always shared this opinion.
I would rather pay top dollar for a basic reference/model, as opposed to paying a lot of money for a very rare reference (in average condition).
Not only do I enjoy quality more, but I find that quality will sell at the end of the day. Many people share the same mind set that a "quality" watch deserves that slight premium, making it easier to sell as well should the day come.

If your watch was in top condition, it would be priced a lot higher. If I could afford to, I would much rather justify paying higher for better, than lower for "average".
This is just me though. The beauty in vintage is that everyone has his own taste with these things.

[locutus49]

I agree completely with this sentiment.

Originally Posted by theflywrist

I have always shared this opinion.
I would rather pay top dollar for a basic reference/model, as opposed to paying a lot of money for a very rare reference (in average condition).
Not only do I enjoy quality more, but I find that quality will sell at the end of the day. Many people share the same mind set that a "quality" watch deserves that slight premium, making it easier to sell as well should the day come.

If your watch was in top condition, it would be priced a lot higher. If I could afford to, I would much rather justify paying higher for better, than lower for "average".
This is just me though. The beauty in vintage is that everyone has his own taste with these things.

[Wing Zero]

A bit puzzled that you are asking this after you paid 29k for it.

We're not talking about an impulse buy at 2k.

Value of an object is measured by what people are willing to pay for it. Since you just paid 29k I guess it's worth 29k. To you.

[lock0ut]

It was an impulse buy. People have varying means on this forum, obviously.

[Micha]

Originally Posted by lock0ut

It was an impulse buy. People have varying means on this forum, obviously.

that's why you have an inspection period I guess. You look at it in person and if it is less than what you expected you return it. Your choice at this point.

[watchcrank]

it is very difficult to find a non chapter swiss gilt in really great condition. the dials tend to
deteriorate. this one looks better than many but not pristine. If you like it and wear it, enjoy it. Jacek & Scott take care of their customers because most buy more from them.
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[cda555]

Originally Posted by lock0ut

Because it's better to waste time than my money. Welcome to capitalism.

I doubt the seller agrees with this sentiment.

Originally Posted by lock0ut

It was an impulse buy. People have varying means on this forum, obviously.

To me, an impulse buy means it is something frivolous that you know you are probably going to pay top dollar for. You got a watch from a great seller, as advertised, and now seem to be regretting your impulsive decision.

I suppose to be constructive toward your inquiry... do you like the watch? Would you rather spend the $29k on a different watch? Only you can answer those things.

[cowboy music]

To answer your original question, I do not think you overpaid. As has been stated several times already in this thread, Jacek is a respected seller and has a great reputation. I have no doubt he knows what the market value of this particular watch is and set the sales price accordingly. So no, I don't think you overpaid. You paid market-value for the watch.

Now, whether you, personally, are happy with your purchase, only you can decide. But you didn't get gouged.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by cowboy music

To answer your original question, I do not think you overpaid. As has been stated several times already in this thread, Jacek is a respected seller and has a great reputation. I have no doubt he knows what the market value of this particular watch is and set the sales price accordingly. So no, I don't think you overpaid. You paid market-value for the watch.

Now, whether you, personally, are happy with your purchase, only you can decide. But you didn't get gouged.

Just to add that if you like it then that is all that counts!

[Tom1675]

My take on this is half of us think you paid too much and half think you didn't... And its really now a discussion investigating if a great example is worth a strong premium.

Clearly you fall within the half who are of the worldview that a great vintage example is worth a real premium.

Also, it seems from your comments that you probably wont hold on to it forever. I say, even if you sell before its J curve plays out you wont be taking a tragic hit.

One thing is for certain, its SUPER NICE! Wear it!

[cajunron]

IMO, the guys at HQM have a really good handle on market trends. You got a fairly rare watch. You have to pay a premium for the product you purchased. I think the price is fair. It's definitely a keeper!

[Sky21]

If you're asking because you plan to turn around and sell it then I think you overpaid. If you're asking because you want to know if you got a fair value for your money then I think you paid market value with a little bit of a dealer premium thrown in.