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22 October 2017, 02:13 AM
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Rolex 116613 Real? Fake?
Hey folks... So, I am planning to go look at a black two-tone sub in about an hour and a half.
I don't know a ton about these newer Submariners (I own older Subs). The guy says it's a 2011 and has all boxes and papers. I am attaching the pics that I have of the watch.Something doesn't seem right, but Im not expert. Can you all give me your opinion on this? Fake? Real? I know there aren't a ton of pics to go off of here. Also, if not sure, what should I look for? Thanks as always! |
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22 October 2017, 02:16 AM
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Can't really tell anything from those pics...
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22 October 2017, 02:43 AM
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Yeah the pictures are terrible, which to me usually means they're trying to hide something. While looking over the pics again, I realize that the booklet in the picture is for a Milgauss.
My gut says its not right, I think Im gonna pass on even going to look at it. |
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22 October 2017, 02:50 AM
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22 October 2017, 02:54 AM
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What's he done to the clasp? I looks like the piece it's supposed to connect to has broken off, but it doesn't appear to be on the fliplock end either.
That's a sure sign of a fake. There have been a few (very few) reports of this happening in a genuine watch, and if it happened to you, you'd get it fixed immediately. You wouldn't list it for sale. My take: He knows it's not worth fixing. Run away. |
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22 October 2017, 02:58 AM
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Thanks for your help everyone. Super appreciative!
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22 October 2017, 04:43 AM
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From what I've read here, requesting that the seller meet you at an AD to have the watch authenticated before proceeding is a prudent request.
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22 October 2017, 06:15 AM
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22 October 2017, 08:02 AM
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23 October 2017, 05:06 AM
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23 October 2017, 12:42 PM
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22 October 2017, 10:08 AM
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The Box looks fake. Papers look authentic. Watch looks okay but the Bezel raises questions. Better lighting and better angles better camera would bring out the truth!
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22 October 2017, 10:14 AM
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23 October 2017, 02:26 AM
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From the first picture, i think i can make out there is a gap between the rehaut and the dial's chapter ring (i.e. the seconds/minute dashes) which corresponds to a particular replica model/factory/batch (from Thai origin). A genuine 116613 does NOT have this feature (no matter which dial typography/year is concerned).
Chapter ring suspicion + poor photo quality + Milgauss book = run for the hills |
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23 October 2017, 05:03 AM
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Thanks everyone. I passed on even going to look at it. Once I saw the Milgauss booklet and just going with my gut, it didn't seem right.
I appreciate all of the answers and insight. You all rock. Thanks! |
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