Old Rolex

[andrei70]

Hello everyone!
Can you please tell me on this model: is this one of the first wrirstwaches Rolex? The diameter without crown is 33.5 mm. The waches are working. If you have a possibility, can you tell me approximal cost?
Thanks in advance.

[andrei70]

Are they fake?

[R.W.T.]

No.

Trench watch.

Rebberg calibre 13 ligne most likely.

Working is...relatively amazing because mostly...they don't after 100 + years.

The movement is good..if it hasn't been monkeyed and not staffed too many times...generally they aren't in very good shape...

Dial...who knows...could be refinished. Is it porcelain? If it is and not a repro- it's in very good shape...and that too would be rare.

[andrei70]

The dial is porcelain, all inscriptions are baked into the porcelain, at the edge of the dial there are small porcelain damages. They are not seen under the edge. The wach show a quite exact time

[andrei70]

Dial

[MorningTundra]

Looks much like this...

Is the case silver?



Sent from my cracked, broken hand wound phone. IG @morning_tundra

[R.W.T.]

The Rebberg in it is a different damascene than the one in the book.

However looking I think I will retract my comment on the balance cock (bridge) they did use the scrolling on movements with more plain finish on the other plates. The dial is great and wonderful that the damage does not show with the bezel in place.

No question in whether or not it is genuine. I feel the dial is original to the watch likely too. A great survivor. Be careful...it is NOT shock resistant in any way and any drop will likely cause a broken balance staff...they are very difficult to find.

[andrei70]

Thank you for your replies, R.W.T.! Thank you for precaution but I am not going to wear this watch. Do you have an opinion on the price?

[R.W.T.]

Originally Posted by andrei70

Thank you for your replies, R.W.T.! Thank you for precaution but I am not going to wear this watch. Do you have an opinion on the price?

I'd wear it every day!

They're all over the map. Search completed listings for Rolex Trench Watch on Ebay.

The bigger sizes are worth more. This one uses a 13 ligne movement.

[oldfox]

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

The Rebberg in it is a different damascene than the one in the book.

However looking I think I will retract my comment on the balance cock (bridge) they did use the scrolling on movements with more plain finish on the other plates. The dial is great and wonderful that the damage does not show with the bezel in place.

No question in whether or not it is genuine. I feel the dial is original to the watch likely too. A great survivor. Be careful...it is NOT shock resistant in any way and any drop will likely cause a broken balance staff...they are very difficult to find.

There is almost no, well - just no, doubts that the dial is legit.
The main issues that did rise at the thread at the Russian forum regarding this watch were:
1. Rebberg was producing penty of 13 ligne type movements that were used in plenty of watch brands. So it's not a problem to fit Rolex dial on any Rebberg. As you can see at the book the Rolex's rebbergs shows perlage finishing on all bridges (except balance, ofcourse). Here you can see only cotes de Geneve on the central bridge only.

2. The case number figures are not in line with each other - what is not seen on Rolex's cases.

[andrei70]

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

I'd wear it every day!

I have what to wear every day 8-)

[andrei70]

Originally Posted by oldfox

There is almost no, well - just no, doubts that the dial is legit.
The main issues that did rise at the thread at the Russian forum regarding this watch were:
1. Rebberg was producing penty of 13 ligne type movements that were used in plenty of watch brands. So it's not a problem to fit Rolex dial on any Rebberg. As you can see at the book the Rolex's rebbergs shows perlage finishing on all bridges (except balance, ofcourse). Here you can see only cotes de Geneve on the central bridge only.

2. The case number figures are not in line with each other - what is not seen on Rolex's cases.

There were no problems, this is a hallucination of a separate individuum 8-)

[R.W.T.]

Originally Posted by oldfox

There is almost no, well - just no, doubts that the dial is legit.
The main issues that did rise at the thread at the Russian forum regarding this watch were:
1. Rebberg was producing penty of 13 ligne type movements that were used in plenty of watch brands. So it's not a problem to fit Rolex dial on any Rebberg. As you can see at the book the Rolex's rebbergs shows perlage finishing on all bridges (except balance, ofcourse). Here you can see only cotes de Geneve on the central bridge only.

2. The case number figures are not in line with each other - what is not seen on Rolex's cases.

It would be a WHOLE LOT more likely to find a Rebberg MOVEMENT than a loose porcelain 13 ligne Rolex Dial.


Sure it might on the slight off chance not be legit...but really would it be worth it? It's not a Paul Newman.

Most Rebberg's...(search ebay) Aren't running ESPECIALLY 13 ligne. Mostly they are miserable movements and even with the best workers...they don't run worth a crap when they're fixed.

The case....while Rolex contracted everything....it's kind of identical to the ones they were using...

The dial...well...let's put someone on the case and see HOW LONG it takes them to come up with another for sale loose.....13 ligne Porcelain....Rolex signed dial IN the glazing...out of a watch....

My history says there is ONE of everything for sale at any given time SOMEWHERE...but you're not going down to your local Wal-Mart to pick out your choice there.

If you anyone can find one of those...I'm happy that true magicians exist...now please find the chronograph parts for my Centregraphe :-)


What they're saying about about the Perlage finishing isn't exactly true...they used all different grades of Rebberg's in various Rolex watches. Sure anything could be cobbled but I have a 10.5 ligne Rebberg that is family heirloom here that has NO damascene and Rolex is engraved on the plates.

To find Rolex engraved wheels to put on a generic Rebberg movement...what is the point? I mean you'd have to have a Rolex/Rebberg to steal the wheels...why not just build that one? Doesn't make sense.

The cotes de Geneve are also on the barrel bridge not just the train bridge.

The striped movements are seen in those watches from time to time. Yes I will agree mostly we see the perlage damascene but I wouldn't write that one off because it has stripes.

As for the case numbers...you can see even in Dowling's book on page 26 of the 3rd edition a sterling case with numbers not perfectly in line.

The watch doesn't smell bad to me. But I defer.

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by andrei70

I have what to wear every day 8-)

What is that dial called on your day-date? Very interesting look, it reminds me of a petri dish I sneezed on in high school bio-chemistry class.

[oldfox]

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

It would be a WHOLE LOT more likely to find a Rebberg MOVEMENT than a loose porcelain 13 ligne Rolex Dial.


Sure it might on the slight off chance not be legit...but really would it be worth it? It's not a Paul Newman.

Most Rebberg's...(search ebay) Aren't running ESPECIALLY 13 ligne. Mostly they are miserable movements and even with the best workers...they don't run worth a crap when they're fixed.

The case....while Rolex contracted everything....it's kind of identical to the ones they were using...

The dial...well...let's put someone on the case and see HOW LONG it takes them to come up with another for sale loose.....13 ligne Porcelain....Rolex signed dial IN the glazing...out of a watch....

My history says there is ONE of everything for sale at any given time SOMEWHERE...but you're not going down to your local Wal-Mart to pick out your choice there.

If you anyone can find one of those...I'm happy that true magicians exist...now please find the chronograph parts for my Centregraphe :-)


What they're saying about about the Perlage finishing isn't exactly true...they used all different grades of Rebberg's in various Rolex watches. Sure anything could be cobbled but I have a 10.5 ligne Rebberg that is family heirloom here that has NO damascene and Rolex is engraved on the plates.

To find Rolex engraved wheels to put on a generic Rebberg movement...what is the point? I mean you'd have to have a Rolex/Rebberg to steal the wheels...why not just build that one? Doesn't make sense.

The cotes de Geneve are also on the barrel bridge not just the train bridge.

The striped movements are seen in those watches from time to time. Yes I will agree mostly we see the perlage damascene but I wouldn't write that one off because it has stripes.

As for the case numbers...you can see even in Dowling's book on page 26 of the 3rd edition a sterling case with numbers not perfectly in line.

The watch doesn't smell bad to me. But I defer.

Thank you for the answer, R.W.T.

I just want to stress some points:

1. I was talking not about generic Rebberg movement (that it was widespreaded), but specifically about this type 13 ligne movement - it was used in a huge range of watches (not Rolex) with different bridges finishing (including cotes, except perlage).

2. Why to find Rolex engraved wheels to put on a generic Rebberg movement? Maybe this ebay item would be an answer why? ebay . com/itm/182660861886

3. As I intended to say before - there is no 100 % proof that it's not legit, but there are some issues, that separatelly could not be a cause for duobts: cotes but not perlage, bad number allignment, no "rolex" on plates - but all together - it looks fishy.

[andrei70]

Originally Posted by oldfox

Thank you for the answer, R.W.T.

I just want to stress some points:

1. I was talking not about generic Rebberg movement (that it was widespreaded), but specifically about this type 13 ligne movement - it was used in a huge range of watches (not Rolex) with different bridges finishing (including cotes, except perlage).

2. Why to find Rolex engraved wheels to put on a generic Rebberg movement? Maybe this ebay item would be an answer why? ebay . com/itm/182660861886

3. As I intended to say before - there is no 100 % proof that it's not legit, but there are some issues, that separatelly could not be a cause for duobts: cotes but not perlage, bad number allignment, no "rolex" on plates - but all together - it looks fishy.

I think that it is no use explaining to this man, even a general director of Rolex would not be an authority for him

[andrei70]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

What is that dial called on your day-date?

http://www.phillipswatches.com/jurassic-park/

[oldfox]

Originally Posted by andrei70

I think that it is no use explaining to this man, even a general director of Rolex would not be an authority for him

Using argumentum ad hominem only shows your nasty behavior and adding nothing to your arguments.

Shame on you.