Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506

[ksing]

Hi everyone,

A couple of weeks ago I purchased a Platinum Daytona (regular dial) from my local AD. Now I have decided that I would like to upgrade the dial to the baguette dial and the Rolex Service Centre said they can do that for me for around 7300 USD. I would have to pay a 40% deposit and it would take around one to two months for them to receive the dial. Then when the dial arrives I will have to give them the watch to change the dial (and do water test etc.) which will take about a week.

So I wanted to ask what are everyone's experience with changing dials at the official Rolex Service Centre? Does dial changing affect or devalue the watch in any way (not that I plan to sell the watch but just for something to consider)? Would it be in the Rolex system or archive that this watch dial originally came with another dial that has been changed and have any affect if I do end up selling this watch 5-10 years down the line (to auction or grey dealers etc.)? In terms of warranty of the watch the Service Centre told me it would have no affect. Also, once it has been replaced, it will not be possible for me to also keep the old dial as they have policy to send the replaced dial back to Rolex in Switzerland.

I absolutely love the baguette dial on this platinum Daytona and didn't even know it existed when I purchased the regular dial one. So I just wanted your opinions before I decide to upgrade the dial.

Thank you very much.

[faimag]

Did they mention if you get to keep the old dial? If so you can always return the watch to its original condition. But sometimes RSC keeps the "old" part. Overall, putting the baguette dial would not devalue the watch or anything like that. However I presume it would make it more difficult to resell if you ever wanted to, as people who have the budget for a Platona will probably go for an original baguette version if they want one.

Regarding warranty, you should clarify because your watch, being a few weeks old, has a 5-year warranty, whereas any RSC serviced watch comes with a 2-year warranty. There is a risk you many lose 3 years from your warranty; that's what I am afraid.

And before I forget, congratulations on this awesome watch!

[ksing]

Originally Posted by faimag

Did they mention if you get to keep the old dial? If so you can always return the watch to its original condition. But sometimes RSC keeps the "old" part. Overall, putting the baguette dial would not devalue the watch or anything like that. However I presume it would make it more difficult to resell if you ever wanted to, as people who have the budget for a Platona will probably go for an original baguette version if they want one.

Regarding warranty, you should clarify because your watch, being a few weeks old, has a 5-year warranty, whereas any RSC serviced watch comes with a 2-year warranty. There is a risk you many lose 3 years from your warranty; that's what I am afraid.

And before I forget, congratulations on this awesome watch!

Thank you very much for your reply.

No, it will not be possible for me to keep the old dial.

I have made sure with the RSC that it would still be the 5-year warranty and it will have no affect on that.

Just to clarify, in terms of devalue the watch I wasn't comparing between a baguette and non-baguette version, I was asking more that since the dial has been changed and is not in the original that it came with, does it have any affect on the value of the watch?

"People who have the budget for a Platona will probably go for an original baguette version", can I please ask you what exactly you mean by this?

And thank you for your congratulations, I think its awesome as well!

[42itus]

Congratulations on a great pickup.

I think what the poster meant was that it might be tricky to resell because people that can afford this watch will want the watch the way it came from the factory. They will want the card to match the dial.

Have you considered trading yours for the baguette dial with a TS? That way you will have the baguette dial and the card will match it. Just a thought.

Enjoy your watch!


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[HogwldFLTR]

Last time someone posted about the dial swap they got to keep their dial. I can't imagine that their would be anymore of an issue with resale then if it weren't dial swapped. People will shop for the model they want and there are papers to establish the originality of the watch and the work done on it.

[faimag]

Originally Posted by 42itus

it might be tricky to resell because people that can afford this watch will want the watch the way it came from the factory. They will want the card to match the dial.

That's exactly what I meant

[ksing]

Originally Posted by 42itus

Congratulations on a great pickup.

I think what the poster meant was that it might be tricky to resell because people that can afford this watch will want the watch the way it came from the factory. They will want the card to match the dial.

Have you considered trading yours for the baguette dial with a TS? That way you will have the baguette dial and the card will match it. Just a thought.

Enjoy your watch!


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Thank you for your reply.

From what RSC have told me, and I specifically asked, is that both the baguette and non baguette dial have exactly the same model number and it does not indicate anywhere on the card regarding the dial of the watch for this model. In other words, for the platinum Daytona both baguette and non baguette dials have everything exactly the same on the warranty card so there is nothing to match (would be great if someone can confirm this for me) and there is no way for anyone buying the watch to know from just looking at watch and card that the dial is different to how it came from the factory. Which is also why I was asking regarding the Rolex system or archives whether it can affect anything down the line?

[ksing]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Last time someone posted about the dial swap they got to keep their dial. I can't imagine that their would be anymore of an issue with resale then if it weren't dial swapped. People will shop for the model they want and there are papers to establish the originality of the watch and the work done on it.

Thank you. I think it depends on country by country. My local RSC confirmed that it is not possible to keep the old dial (or any part that they change for any Rolex watch) as they have to send it back to Rolex in Swiss.

[42itus]

This is a photo I just found online but it’s the same with my DD. The model number is the same but the card will normally note the diamonds.




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[ksing]

Originally Posted by 42itus

This is a photo I just found online but it’s the same with my DD. The model number is the same but the card will normally note the diamonds.




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Thank you for your reply. So the warranty cards for baguette and non-baguette dials are not exactly the same as what the RSC told me then?

These are some photos that I found on Chrono24 for the baguette dial platinum Daytonas with their cards.

[42itus]

Originally Posted by ksing

Thank you for your reply. So the warranty cards for baguette and non-baguette dials are not exactly the same as what the RSC told me then?

These are some photos that I found on Chrono24 for the baguette dial platinum Daytonas with their cards.

I always thought that the cards will note baguette diamonds. But your first photo clearly doesn’t state it. Hopefully others can chime in.
But as [mention]HogwldFLTR [/mention] stated, you will receive paperwork from RSC stating that the dial was changed so I don’t see an issue. That would be enough documentation for me if I were a buyer.


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[ratty]

You will have the original paperwork for the watch and the paperwork from Rolex detailing the dial change, you should not have any problems proving the authenticity of the watch and dial change if you decide to sell it. I very much doubt that you will be able to keep the old dial, dials are usually changed on a part exchange basis.

I have to say that if I was in the market to buy a platinum Daytona, or any watch, I would want it as it left the factory. I know that some will say that this is silly and that there is no difference etc, but that's how I would want it. Someone has already suggested selling your watch and buying a new one with the diamond dial, have you looked into this?

[ksing]

Originally Posted by 42itus

I always thought that the cards will note baguette diamonds. But your first photo clearly doesn’t state it. Hopefully others can chime in.
But as [mention]HogwldFLTR [/mention] stated, you will receive paperwork from RSC stating that the dial was changed so I don’t see an issue. That would be enough documentation for me if I were a buyer.


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Thank you again.

Yes I hope others can chime in about that as well.

As for the paperwork, if the warranty card is exactly the same for baguette and non-baguette dials, what would be the use of the paperwork stating the dial was changed?

I'm not sure if everyone understands my question fully (I am sorry as English is not my first language), but basically if their is no difference at all on the card which means cannot tell the dial has been changed from the card, and there is no other way to find out that the dial has been changed, then why would I need the paperwork for that?

My point is if there is any need for me to use or keep this paperwork for proof that the RSC changed my dial, then I don't want to swap the dial at all. But from what RSC have told me it makes zero difference and makes no difference to warranty or anything if I do decide to ever sell the watch down the line. I would really like to know if this is true.

I hope I wrote that in a not too confusing way. Thank you.

[envuks]

Great watch! Congrats.

In regards to changing the dial, the card matching the dial is only of note if you may sell the watch. You’d probably get a bit less for it than if the dial originally came on the watch (or it would be a harder sale).

If you’re simply keeping it to wear, just make the change you want. Heavily worn watches resell for less as well so don’t stress the card not matching.


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[ksing]

Originally Posted by ratty

You will have the original paperwork for the watch and the paperwork from Rolex detailing the dial change, you should not have any problems proving the authenticity of the watch and dial change if you decide to sell it. I very much doubt that you will be able to keep the old dial, dials are usually changed on a part exchange basis.

I have to say that if I was in the market to buy a platinum Daytona, or any watch, I would want it as it left the factory. I know that some will say that this is silly and that there is no difference etc, but that's how I would want it. Someone has already suggested selling your watch and buying a new one with the diamond dial, have you looked into this?

Thank you.

As I have stated in my previous posts, I would like to know if I will ever need to use this paperwork to prove authenticity at all if I do decide to sell this watch down the line. If the cards are not different, and there is no other way to prove that the dial has been changed, then why do I need this paperwork?

Also, yes as I said the RSC told me I cannot keep the old dial, so that is not what I am asking about.

I haven't looked into selling my watch and buying the diamond dial one because this option is cheaper (as my platinum Daytona is already a used watch) and because the RSC told me there is no difference to change the dial.

Just toe be clear, let's say someone was buying the baguette platinum Daytona in the grey market, is there any way they would know if the dial has or hasn't been changed from a non baguette dial before?

[alpharulez]

Before you make the swap, make sure you are happy with legibility on the sub-dials. Otherwise awesome looking piece.


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[ksing]

Originally Posted by envuks

Great watch! Congrats.

In regards to changing the dial, the card matching the dial is only of note if you may sell the watch. You’d probably get a bit less for it than if the dial originally came on the watch (or it would be a harder sale).

If you’re simply keeping it to wear, just make the change you want. Heavily worn watches resell for less as well so don’t stress the card not matching.


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Thank you for your reply.

So the card for platinum Daytona are definitely different for baguette and non-baguette dials then? Because the RSC told me its exactly the same.

Also, as I have stated, I am keeping it to wear and no intention of selling any time soon. But no one knows the situation in future, so if there is any difference in the card not matching then I would probably not do the dial swap.

[pj1369]

Most of my rolexes have pretty specific dial descriptions on the warranty cards, so imagine the same would hold true. Perhaps fall back and see if a different rep from RSC gives you a same or different answer?


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[ksing]

Originally Posted by pj1369

Most of my rolexes have pretty specific dial descriptions on the warranty cards, so imagine the same would hold true. Perhaps fall back and see if a different rep from RSC gives you a same or different answer?


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Thank you for your reply. On the non baguette dial version that I recently purchased there is no description of the dial whatsoever on the warranty card. Only the serial number and model number (and name, date etc.). For the baguette dial there is?

[RichM]

I’m not really sure but I thought the the US Rolex Warranty Cards contained a little more information than the overseas cards. If true, that could be the reason why yours does not show the diamond info. Again, I’m not sure in all cases.

Ask if they will issue a new card (including the diamonds) from Rolex.

Beautiful watch with either dial.

[ksing]

Originally Posted by Rich Mickol

I’m not really sure but I thought the the US Rolex Warranty Cards contained a little more information than the overseas cards. If true, that could be the reason why yours does not show the diamond info. Again, I’m not sure in all cases.

Ask if they will issue a new card (including the diamonds) from Rolex.

Beautiful watch with either dial.

Hello,

Thank you for your reply. No it won't be possible for them to issue a new card.

This is how the warranty card looks for my platinum Daytona.

[RichM]

Originally Posted by ksing

Hello,

Thank you for your reply. No it won't be possible for them to issue a new card.

This is how the warranty card looks for my platinum Daytona.

Got it.

I’m pretty sure if that watch you have was sold here in the US it would say “baguette” on it. I’m sure someone with one, will chime in. Again, I believe the difference in cards is due to where the watch was sold from. Rolex USA vs Rolex SA. As far as selling it later on, just be sure to keep all your RSC paperwork and you’ll be fine. In the case of your card, it really wouldn’t matter either way.

[ksing]

Here are some more photos that I found from Chrono24 of the non baguette dial platinum Daytonas with their cards. It seems like there is variety of descriptions underneath the model number "116506". I see some that says Platinum Bracelet, some has some numbers and says Ice Blue, and some no description at all (like mine).

[ksing]

Originally Posted by Rich Mickol

Got it.

I’m pretty sure if that watch you have was sold here in the US it would say “baguette” on it. I’m sure someone with one, will chime in. As far as selling it later on, just be sure to keep all your RSC paperwork and you’ll be fine. In the case of your card, it really wouldn’t matter.

Thank you very much again for your reply

Do you mind to tell me what reason you think I should keep the RSC paperwork after I change the dial? I am still confused about this that many people are saying to keep the paperwork (which I will keep anyway) but if there is no way to tell that the watch has had the dial changed, why do I need the paperwork for proof of anything if I do sell the watch at any point?

I am still confused it seems my questions are not understood fully yet.

[Chiboy]

Great watch, congrats! I once in a while think about getting the baguette dial for a change of pace. I would look into sourcing an OEM baguette dial from someone who will not confiscate your original dial. That way, you can swap back if you ever want to, and sell your non-baguette dial watch as it originally came from the factory as well as separately selling the baguette dial if you ever want to.

I personally wouldn't want to lose the original dial in the swap, as I don't think I would forever want the flashier dial, but it would be fun to be able to have the dials swapped once in a while if I ever found myself desiring a different look. I will say, in 3 1/2 years of daily wear, I am not at all tired of looking at the original dial.

[kauffee]

Even if the international warranty card doesn’t have dial information, I would still be honest with any potential buyers that you changed the dial. The reason is, the RSCs will have the service history for the watch and you don’t want a potential buyer finding out the dial was changed and you never disclosed that. It’s dishonest and it could affect your reputation for future sales.

Still, for many buyers a dial swap by RSC would not be an issue so I would go ahead and swap the dial so that you can wear the watch you truly want.

[ksing]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Great watch, congrats! I once in a while think about getting the baguette dial for a change of pace. I would look into sourcing an OEM baguette dial from someone who will not confiscate your original dial. That way, you can swap back if you ever want to, and sell your non-baguette dial watch as it originally came from the factory as well as separately selling the baguette dial if you ever want to.

I personally wouldn't want to lose the original dial in the swap, as I don't think I would forever want the flashier dial, but it would be fun to be able to have the dials swapped once in a while if I ever found myself desiring a different look. I will say, in 3 1/2 years of daily wear, I am not at all tired of looking at the original dial.

Thank you very much!

It won't be possible for me to source a baguette dial without giving away the original dial as I will make the swap at the RSC, if I decide to do it.

If I do ever sell the watch, would it be any different that I sell it with the baguette dial and not the original? There is no description of it on the warranty card anyway. Or is there another way to find out?

[kauffee]

Originally Posted by ksing

If I do ever sell the watch, would it be any different that I sell it with the baguette dial and not the original? There is no description of it on the warranty card anyway. Or is there another way to find out?

As I said, the RSC will have a record of the dial swap. You should be honest with any potential buyer. Why risk your reputation?

[ksing]

Originally Posted by kauffee

Even if the international warranty card doesn’t have dial information, I would still be honest with any potential buyers that you changed the dial. The reason is, the RSCs will have the service history for the watch and you don’t want a potential buyer finding out the dial was changed and you never disclosed that. It’s dishonest and it could affect your reputation for future sales.

Still, for many buyers a dial swap by RSC would not be an issue so I would go ahead and swap the dial so that you can wear the watch you truly want.

Thank you.

So every RSC worldwide will have the service history for the watch and any potential buyer would be able to find that out from a RSC if they wanted to? If that is the case then I rather not swap the dial at all.

My local RSC told me that it wouldn't make any difference at all and the information for dial change are only for internal. In fact they even said that many AD's some times also change dials for their watches at RSC if they wanted to and sell it as that, some times requested by customers and some times not.

If you were to buy a Platinum Daytona with baguette on grey market today how would you know that it did or didn't come from the factory as a non baguette dial?

[RichM]

Originally Posted by ksing

Thank you very much again for your reply

Do you mind to tell me what reason you think I should keep the RSC paperwork after I change the dial? I am still confused about this that many people are saying to keep the paperwork (which I will keep anyway) but if there is no way to tell that the watch has had the dial changed, why do I need the paperwork for proof of anything if I do sell the watch at any point?

I am still confused it seems my questions are not understood fully yet.

See below. Provenance.

Originally Posted by kauffee

Even if the international warranty card doesn’t have dial information, I would still be honest with any potential buyers that you changed the dial. The reason is, the RSCs will have the service history for the watch and you don’t want a potential buyer finding out the dial was changed and you never disclosed that. It’s dishonest and it could affect your reputation for future sales.

Still, for many buyers a dial swap by RSC would not be an issue so I would go ahead and swap the dial so that you can wear the watch you truly want.