Perpetual Calendar Watches: Help Please

[hgg43c]

For as long as i can remember I’ve always wanted to add a perpetual calendar watch but one of my issues other than price has been legibility. I tried to add an AP QP before Covid, but between not being able to secure the watch @ MSRP. I also found the dial unreadable. I don’t have an in with AP as my experience with the NY Boutique hasn’t been great.

Which brings me to the Lange 1 Perpetual - in pink gold/grey dial and the Patek 5236P - both watches imo are superbly simple, elegant and legible, similarly priced, automatic movements, I plan on wearing it on a regular rotation.

I do believe that F.P. Journey makes a QP that is also quite readable but I don’t think that that option is available to me as I don’t think getting one at MSRP is achievable.

I’d like to hear feedback from owners of either of these two watches, and also any other thoughts, considerations or suggestions of other perpetuals that I should perhaps consider.

Thank you

[ButtButt]

I don’t have a perpetual either but would also love to add one some day so very interested in the responses here. Something that’s attainable without a massive purchase history would be nice.

Between your listed choices of the Lange and PP I prefer the PP looks wise but that’s subjective. The instantaneous date change of the Lange sure is fun to look at though.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

I don’t have a perpetual either but would also love to add one some day so very interested in the responses here. Something that’s attainable without a massive purchase history would be nice.

Between your listed choices of the Lange and PP I prefer the PP looks wise but that’s subjective. The instantaneous date change of the Lange sure is fun to look at though.

For sure watching Russell's video of the date change was very impressive.

[nyc2la]

Have you considered the VC Overseas QP? I wouldn’t be surprised if both options you mentioned will take some time and may even involve some degree of “purchase history”, which is ridiculous but many ADs are still living in the past…

For the VC QP, I found the Boutique was very nice to work with, and they will offer fair and honest guidance on attainability and timing. And depending on which one, it could be a reasonable time frame.

[RaZCaL]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Have you considered the VC Overseas QP? I wouldn’t be surprised if both options you mentioned will take some time and may even involve some degree of “purchase history”, which is ridiculous but many ADs are still living in the past…

For the VC QP, I found the Boutique was very nice to work with, and they will offer fair and honest guidance on attainability and timing. And depending on which one, it could be a reasonable time frame.

+1 for VC.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Have you considered the VC Overseas QP? I wouldn’t be surprised if both options you mentioned will take some time and may even involve some degree of “purchase history”, which is ridiculous but many ADs are still living in the past…

For the VC QP, I found the Boutique was very nice to work with, and they will offer fair and honest guidance on attainability and timing. And depending on which one, it could be a reasonable time frame.

Thanks for suggesting the VC Overseas QP - I'll check it out - it does look nice.

I know I can get the Lange PC - most likely delivery next year, and with regard to the Patek - I think I can get that as well as long as my AD actually answers my call - otherwise I believe the grey market is cheaper than MSRP so thats a plus as well.

I just need to get both watches on my wrist.

[wirru]

I’ve been wanting a perpetual for years and finally got the Lange 1 perpetual yesterday. I got the white gold version but it is more or less what you have in mind.

I am loving it so far. It is elegant and discreet. I like that the dial layout is clean and beautiful. The hands never overlap, so you avoid those moments during the day (such as on the AP RO QP and VC Overseas QP) where you can’t read all of the information. I was worried about the 41.9mm case size, but it actually fits quite well on my 17cm wrist.

I wish that the hands had lume (for practicality and everyday wear) and that the case were a bit thinner. I was able to purchase this as my second Lange piece so did not have a very deep history with the boutique.

I was also interested in the AP QP and VC QP. I might still get them. The VC QP is great because of how thin it is, but I believe it is still hard to get without a decent purchase history. Probably attainable within 1 year if you have a decent purchase history and relationship.

The AP RO QP is iconic but will require a significant history with the brand. The FPJ QP is incredible but you would need to develop a strong relationship with a boutique to get one allocated and the timeline would be in the years. I didn’t consider the Patek as I don’t have a relationship with an AD yet.




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[Russell996]

Originally Posted by wirru

I’ve been wanting a perpetual for years and finally got the Lange 1 perpetual yesterday. I got the white gold version but it is more or less what you have in mind.

I am loving it so far. It is elegant and discreet. I like that the dial layout is clean and beautiful. The hands never overlap, so you avoid those moments during the day (such as on the AP RO QP and VC Overseas QP) where you can’t read all of the information. I was worried about the 41.9mm case size, but it actually fits quite well on my 17cm wrist.

I wish that the hands had lume (for practicality and everyday wear) and that the case were a bit thinner. I was able to purchase this as my second Lange piece so did not have a very deep history with the boutique.

I was also interested in the AP QP and VC QP. I might still get them. The VC QP is great because of how thin it is, but I believe it is still hard to get without a decent purchase history. Probably attainable within 1 year if you have a decent purchase history and relationship.

The AP RO QP is iconic but will require a significant history with the brand. The FPJ QP is incredible but you would need to develop a strong relationship with a boutique to get one allocated and the timeline would be in the years. I didn’t consider the Patek as I don’t have a relationship with an AD yet.




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Congratulations - looks great

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by wirru

I’ve been wanting a perpetual for years and finally got the Lange 1 perpetual yesterday. I got the white gold version but it is more or less what you have in mind.

I am loving it so far. It is elegant and discreet. I like that the dial layout is clean and beautiful. The hands never overlap, so you avoid those moments during the day (such as on the AP RO QP and VC Overseas QP) where you can’t read all of the information. I was worried about the 41.9mm case size, but it actually fits quite well on my 17cm wrist.

I wish that the hands had lume (for practicality and everyday wear) and that the case were a bit thinner. I was able to purchase this as my second Lange piece so did not have a very deep history with the boutique.

I was also interested in the AP QP and VC QP. I might still get them. The VC QP is great because of how thin it is, but I believe it is still hard to get without a decent purchase history. Probably attainable within 1 year if you have a decent purchase history and relationship.

The AP RO QP is iconic but will require a significant history with the brand. The FPJ QP is incredible but you would need to develop a strong relationship with a boutique to get one allocated and the timeline would be in the years. I didn’t consider the Patek as I don’t have a relationship with an AD yet.




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Thanks for such an insightful response.
If I were to go with either the Lange or the Patek - it would be my second purchase with either company. I know I can get the Lange and think I can get the Patek. i do plan on checking out the VC OP as well.
You mentioned that you wished the hands had lume - I'm a bit surprised that they dont have any. How is legibility at night?

[wirru]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Congratulations - looks great

Thank you!

Originally Posted by hgg43c

Thanks for such an insightful response.
If I were to go with either the Lange or the Patek - it would be my second purchase with either company. I know I can get the Lange and think I can get the Patek. i do plan on checking out the VC OP as well.
You mentioned that you wished the hands had lume - I'm a bit surprised that they dont have any. How is legibility at night?

FYI, the standard Lange 1 Pink Gold case w/ Grey Dial does indeed have lumed hands. It is only the White Gold version I have which does not have lumed hands.

I need more time to assess legibility in the evenings/nighttime during real world scenarios. Even on my piece during the day, legibility is not perfect since the contrast between the pink gold dial and the white gold hands is not huge. I'm still getting used to it... I'm sure it won't be a problem over time.

Note also that the standard Lange 1 w/ Grey Dial has higher contrast between the dial and the hands (in addition to lumed hands), so this should not be a concern at all for you IMO.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by wirru

Thank you!



FYI, the standard Lange 1 Pink Gold case w/ Grey Dial does indeed have lumed hands. It is only the White Gold version I have which does not have lumed hands.

I need more time to assess legibility in the evenings/nighttime during real world scenarios. Even on my piece during the day, legibility is not perfect since the contrast between the pink gold dial and the white gold hands is not huge. I'm still getting used to it... I'm sure it won't be a problem over time.

Note also that the standard Lange 1 w/ Grey Dial has higher contrast between the dial and the hands (in addition to lumed hands), so this should not be a concern at all for you IMO.

Thanks for clarifying.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by wirru

I’ve been wanting a perpetual for years and finally got the Lange 1 perpetual yesterday. I got the white gold version but it is more or less what you have in mind.

I am loving it so far. It is elegant and discreet. I like that the dial layout is clean and beautiful. The hands never overlap, so you avoid those moments during the day (such as on the AP RO QP and VC Overseas QP) where you can’t read all of the information. I was worried about the 41.9mm case size, but it actually fits quite well on my 17cm wrist.

I wish that the hands had lume (for practicality and everyday wear) and that the case were a bit thinner. I was able to purchase this as my second Lange piece so did not have a very deep history with the boutique.

I was also interested in the AP QP and VC QP. I might still get them. The VC QP is great because of how thin it is, but I believe it is still hard to get without a decent purchase history. Probably attainable within 1 year if you have a decent purchase history and relationship.

The AP RO QP is iconic but will require a significant history with the brand. The FPJ QP is incredible but you would need to develop a strong relationship with a boutique to get one allocated and the timeline would be in the years. I didn’t consider the Patek as I don’t have a relationship with an AD yet.




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What was the Lange 1 perpetual MSRP?

I saw the pink gold dial and I'm in love. Such a clean display of so much information.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by EEpro

What was the Lange 1 perpetual MSRP?

I saw the pink gold dial and I'm in love. Such a clean display of so much information.

I believe the new price for the pink gold/grey dial is $126K.

[wirru]

Originally Posted by hgg43c

I believe the new price for the pink gold/grey dial is $126K.

And I believe the new price for the white gold/pink gold dial is around $140K


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[Russell996]

Originally Posted by hgg43c

I believe the new price for the pink gold/grey dial is $126K.

UK price for pink gold/grey dial is £122,700

[Russell996]

Not sure if you are only considering new pieces, but how about a complete curve ball from one of the holy trinity - a Malte 47112 perpetual chrono from VC. Same movement as Patek 5970, 39mm and hunter back in PT or Gold. I think the art deco style looks amazing.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Not sure if you are only considering new pieces, but how about a complete curve ball from one of the holy trinity - a Malte 47112 perpetual chrono from VC. Same movement as Patek 5970, 39mm and hunter back in PT or Gold. I think the art deco style looks amazing.

Thanks for suggesting this - it does look amazing - I'll check it out. I seem to prefer watches that are a little larger in diameter.

[ILoveFerrari]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Not sure if you are only considering new pieces, but how about a complete curve ball from one of the holy trinity - a Malte 47112 perpetual chrono from VC. Same movement as Patek 5970, 39mm and hunter back in PT or Gold. I think the art deco style looks amazing.

omg! too beautiful

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[llngoc]

Ever consider the MB&F LM Perpetual? It is with a real innovative new perpetual movement which is "unbreakable". Finishing is also top notch. Don't be scared of the 44mm case size as it wears a lot smaller than the number.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Ever consider the MB&F LM Perpetual? It is with a real innovative new perpetual movement which is "unbreakable". Finishing is also top notch. Don't be scared of the 44mm case size as it wears a lot smaller than the number.

Interesting suggestion - thanks - its an amazing watch - not sure how legible it is for me - other than that - whats the price point and is it obtainable ?

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by hgg43c

Interesting suggestion - thanks - its an amazing watch - not sure how legible it is for me - other than that - whats the price point and is it obtainable ?

It is about 150-160k CHF. As for availability, I think if you are willing to wait for a year, it should be doable.

The movement is a "break through" and finishing is very good.

[wirru]

Originally Posted by llngoc

It is about 150-160k CHF. As for availability, I think if you are willing to wait for a year, it should be doable.

The movement is a "break through" and finishing is very good.

I tried this watch on at the MB&F M.A.D. Gallery in Geneva last week. It was truly special. The 44mm size was very wearable. Felt very sporty, modern, rugged. I would wear that thing everywhere all the time without worrying about hurting it. For my personal taste, the design is too avant-garde to wear every day. But I would love one some day.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by wirru

I tried this watch on at the MB&F M.A.D. Gallery in Geneva last week. It was truly special. The 44mm size was very wearable. Felt very sporty, modern, rugged. I would wear that thing everywhere all the time without worrying about hurting it. For my personal taste, the design is too avant-garde to wear every day. But I would love one some day.

The EVO model is basically a sports watch with flex ring and screw down crown. I can completely see how the design of MB&F is very personal taste. I was not into the look until I got the LM101. Now you can say that I drank the "kool aide"

After I got the LM101 and tried on the regular 44mm LMs, the LM101 at 40mm actually felt smallish. Even my wife who is not a fan of big watches also feels the 44mm is a better size. And 44mm was one of the reasons I have avoided MB&F for a while.

[noobs]

how about the AP QP ultra-thin? if you have the history and $$

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by noobs

how about the AP QP ultra-thin? if you have the history and $$

Thanks for suggesting one of my favorites, but I'm one for two. Yes I could swing the purchase, but no I dont have a purchase history. But then again if I did I would try to get this, no clue how much it is, but it looks amazing.

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/com/e...D002CR.04.html

[noobs]

Originally Posted by hgg43c

Thanks for suggesting one of my favorites, but I'm one for two. Yes I could swing the purchase, but no I dont have a purchase history. But then again if I did I would try to get this, no clue how much it is, but it looks amazing.

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/com/e...D002CR.04.html

It's $1.7mm

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by noobs

It's $1.7mm

thankfully I dont have an established relationship with AP.

besides in the fine print of my martial agreement , wife would take the house, half the assets and leave me with the kids, the dog, and my mother in law

[rockdrock]

Perhaps a quirky option and a design that is unique and very readable. HMoser has a QP movement that is strong and stable. Check out their options. I had this one my list for some time.



Credit: WatchBox

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by rockdrock

Perhaps a quirky option and a design that is unique and very readable. HMoser has a QP movement that is strong and stable. Check out their options. I had this one my list for some time.



Credit: WatchBox

amazing price, but you are right a bit quirky. For me I want to stay between 4 - 5 watches max.

[flyboyx999]

I have both the Lange 1 Perpetual (grey dial) and the Patek 5236P, both dressy PC watches. The Patek wears more elegantly and more modern IMHO