Starwheel Availability

[Octagon Guy]

Is it true that the Starwheel is even harder to be allocated than the Jumbo and Openworked? Heard rumours that Starwheel is mainly for VIPs.

[In-N-Out]

Originally Posted by Octagon Guy

Is it true that the Starwheel is even harder to be allocated than the Jumbo and Openworked? Heard rumours that Starwheel is mainly for VIPs.

Definitely harder than jumbo. My boutique only got one last year

[Reign]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

Definitely harder than jumbo. My boutique only got one last year

Only 4 in NYC, pretty sure they get more jumbos than that


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[Octagon Guy]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

Definitely harder than jumbo. My boutique only got one last year

Originally Posted by Reign

Only 4 in NYC, pretty sure they get more jumbos than that


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What about compared to the Openworked?

[TheHolyLuck]

I think they get 2 steel openworked and 1-2 gold openworked

[Michael1968]

From what I heard it’s very hard to get

[mickyd329]

I hear it's very difficult to get. It's on my wishlist this year, so hoping I get lucky.

[Octagon Guy]

Very interesting that being a Code, the Starwheel is harder to achieve than the Jumbo and Openworked. Given that the CODE QP, though difficult, is not even as hot.

[In-N-Out]

Originally Posted by Octagon Guy

Very interesting that being a Code, the Starwheel is harder to achieve than the Jumbo and Openworked. Given that the CODE QP, though difficult, is not even as hot.

I think there are a couple factors:

Jumbos are obviously highly desired, but they typically only go to clients who are at a very specific step in their journey. Probably around the 4-5th watch phase.

For those below that, they are not qualified yet for a jumbo but might want to start out their AP journey by getting a code. And the starwheel is universally accepted as one of the best Codes to date so demand is high.

For those that already have a jumbo, perhaps they have tons of hot pieces already but never had a code. This might be the first code that interests them so demand is high for these collectors too and they have higher priority

So what does that mean? Basically everyone (except one and done RO collectors) at every step of the AP journey wants a starwheel. Supply is extremely low so clearly demand will far exceed supply.

As for the QP, I think there a few factors as well:
1) while it’s probably the best launch model from the code lineup, the fact that it got associated with the other ridiculed launch models like the 3 handers and chronos had a negative impact if the entire code lineup for many years.
2) related: due to it being a launch model, people nitpicked everything. While the QP doesnt inexplicably use 3 fonts like the 3 handers, many people didn’t like the crown sitting so low on the case side. kinda made people associate the code as an afterthought since AP put a modular movement that clearly wasn’t designed for the code case
3) pricing: $106k current pricing is a lot of money in general. I believe it launched at $75k range too

Anyway, while the QP is nice, it didn’t really introduce anything particularly unique besides the adventurine dial.

However, the starwheel has the adventurine dial too and has a unique complication that we haven’t see from AP since the original & millenary lines. Very unique piece with a ceramic mid case. Reasonably priced under $60k too

[jts278]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

I think there are a couple factors:

Jumbos are obviously highly desired, but they typically only go to clients who are at a very specific step in their journey. Probably around the 4-5th watch phase.

For those below that, they are not qualified yet for a jumbo but might want to start out their AP journey by getting a code. And the starwheel is universally accepted as one of the best Codes to date so demand is high.

For those that already have a jumbo, perhaps they have tons of hot pieces already but never had a code. This might be the first code that interests them so demand is high for these collectors too and they have higher priority

So what does that mean? Basically everyone (except one and done RO collectors) at every step of the AP journey wants a starwheel. Supply is extremely low so clearly demand will far exceed supply.

As for the QP, I think there a few factors as well:
1) while it’s probably the best launch model from the code lineup, the fact that it got associated with the other ridiculed launch models like the 3 handers and chronos had a negative impact if the entire code lineup for many years.
2) related: due to it being a launch model, people nitpicked everything. While the QP doesnt inexplicably use 3 fonts like the 3 handers, many people didn’t like the crown sitting so low on the case side. kinda made people associate the code as an afterthought since AP put a modular movement that clearly wasn’t designed for the code case
3) pricing: $106k current pricing is a lot of money in general. I believe it launched at $75k range too

Anyway, while the QP is nice, it didn’t really introduce anything particularly unique besides the adventurine dial.

However, the starwheel has the adventurine dial too and has a unique complication that we haven’t see from AP since the original & millenary lines. Very unique piece with a ceramic mid case. Reasonably priced under $60k too

Agree with everything you said. Having tried on almost every Code, it's definitely the best combination with the ceramic mid case and crown, thin case, aventurine dial and starwheel complication.

I think 2024 will bring about even more variations of the Code 11.59.

[Octagon Guy]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

I think there are a couple factors:

Jumbos are obviously highly desired, but they typically only go to clients who are at a very specific step in their journey. Probably around the 4-5th watch phase.

For those below that, they are not qualified yet for a jumbo but might want to start out their AP journey by getting a code. And the starwheel is universally accepted as one of the best Codes to date so demand is high.

For those that already have a jumbo, perhaps they have tons of hot pieces already but never had a code. This might be the first code that interests them so demand is high for these collectors too and they have higher priority

So what does that mean? Basically everyone (except one and done RO collectors) at every step of the AP journey wants a starwheel. Supply is extremely low so clearly demand will far exceed supply.

As for the QP, I think there a few factors as well:
1) while it’s probably the best launch model from the code lineup, the fact that it got associated with the other ridiculed launch models like the 3 handers and chronos had a negative impact if the entire code lineup for many years.
2) related: due to it being a launch model, people nitpicked everything. While the QP doesnt inexplicably use 3 fonts like the 3 handers, many people didn’t like the crown sitting so low on the case side. kinda made people associate the code as an afterthought since AP put a modular movement that clearly wasn’t designed for the code case
3) pricing: $106k current pricing is a lot of money in general. I believe it launched at $75k range too

Anyway, while the QP is nice, it didn’t really introduce anything particularly unique besides the adventurine dial.

However, the starwheel has the adventurine dial too and has a unique complication that we haven’t see from AP since the original & millenary lines. Very unique piece with a ceramic mid case. Reasonably priced under $60k too

Interesting inputs Agree with your views except points 1 and 2 which is abit confusing for me. These 2 points are basically stating the QP doesn't gain traction as collectors might relate it to the basic 3 hands/chrono. I would think the timing of release shouldn't be a huge factor as it's obviously a totally different dial design with complications. Which makes it the same category as the Starwheel, which of course is not considered a complications but neither is it a normal movement.

So you think the Starwheel will be having the same "undesirable" fate as the QP if it were to be released together with the QP at the same time?

[Palex]

Just got the call today for the starwheel! Very happy, was looking at it for quite some time.

Going to pick it up next week!

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by Palex

Just got the call today for the starwheel! Very happy, was looking at it for quite some time.

Going to pick it up next week!

Congrats!!! I'm jealous! Post pics when you get it.

[Palex]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

Congrats!!! I'm jealous! Post pics when you get it.

Thnks! Didn’t expect it, had a shortlist of some references including the starwheel, but after reading some comments here about the “difficult allocation” of the 15212, my hopes were low.

Will post some pics!

[crispyness87]

I put both an openwork and the starwheel on my interest list. I have a strong feeling I’ll be getting the openwork first. That speaks to the difficulty of getting a starwheel.

[value.target]

Originally Posted by crispyness87

I put both an openwork and the starwheel on my interest list. I have a strong feeling I’ll be getting the openwork first. That speaks to the difficulty of getting a starwheel.

What AP pieces you own before you ask for the openwork?

is that 15407ST or 15407OR?

[jts278]

Originally Posted by Palex

Just got the call today for the starwheel! Very happy, was looking at it for quite some time.

Going to pick it up next week!

Congrats on the Starwheel allocation!!

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by crispyness87

I put both an openwork and the starwheel on my interest list. I have a strong feeling I’ll be getting the openwork first. That speaks to the difficulty of getting a starwheel.

Really? Wow! I knew the Starwheel was not easy, but didn't imagine it would be harder than an Openworked. I guess my wait will be longer than I anticipated..

[Steele]

Congrats I really love that piece!!! cant wait to see it on your wrist and get a better idea of how cool it is!

[crispyness87]

Originally Posted by value.target

What AP pieces you own before you ask for the openwork?

is that 15407ST or 15407OR?

Originally Posted by mickyd329

Really? Wow! I knew the Starwheel was not easy, but didn't imagine it would be harder than an Openworked. I guess my wait will be longer than I anticipated..

I’ve got about 8 pieces. 5 for me, 3 for the wife. Decent mix of steel/PM/diamonds, and across the lines (RO/ROC/ROO/Code).

My request for openwork was followed by an optimistic nod by the SA. As for the starwheel, all I got was a sigh, followed by biting of the lip and a shake of the head.

This is just my experience, so take it at face value all!

I sincerely love love love the starwheel, and feel it’s symbolic of AP in this current era.
1. It’s a Code
2. Uses an old ‘complication’ but modernize
3. Looks insane and there’s NO other watch out there that looks like the starwheel/ comparable to it.

[Palex]

Originally Posted by jts278

Congrats on the Starwheel allocation!!

Thnks!

[Palex]

Originally Posted by Steele

Congrats I really love that piece!!! cant wait to see it on your wrist and get a better idea of how cool it is!

Can’t wait either

[Octagon Guy]

Originally Posted by Palex

Just got the call today for the starwheel! Very happy, was looking at it for quite some time.

Going to pick it up next week!

Wooo.... Congratulations!

[gregouille]

Originally Posted by crispyness87

I’ve got about 8 pieces. 5 for me, 3 for the wife. Decent mix of steel/PM/diamonds, and across the lines (RO/ROC/ROO/Code).

My request for openwork was followed by an optimistic nod by the SA. As for the starwheel, all I got was a sigh, followed by biting of the lip and a shake of the head.

This is just my experience, so take it at face value all!

I sincerely love love love the starwheel, and feel it’s symbolic of AP in this current era.
1. It’s a Code
2. Uses an old ‘complication’ but modernize
3. Looks insane and there’s NO other watch out there that looks like the starwheel/ comparable to it.

Great summary on the starwheel


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[Palex]

As wednesday is pick up day for my starwheel, I was playing with some pics. Funny how the starwheel appears to wear smaller than the QP.

[Broadbear]

Originally Posted by Palex

As wednesday is pick up day for my starwheel, I was playing with some pics. Funny how the starwheel appears to wear smaller than the QP.

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[Steele]

wow both amazing pieces congrats

Thats a TOugh one for me to pick if I had to choose one lol the thing im most thankful for on the Starwheel is the Seconds hand! I need movement!

[Bobfreddy]

There may be rumors about it being mainly for VIPs, it ultimately depends on availability and the specific policies of each retailer.

[Octagon Guy]

Originally Posted by Bobfreddy

There may be rumors about it being mainly for VIPs, it ultimately depends on availability and the specific policies of each retailer.

Seriously? I knew it was rare but didn't know was for VIPs. If that's really the case, then it's much much harder to obtain than the Jumbo.

[Broadbear]

Yeah I never knew it was for VIPs only. makes sense tbh as there’s less than a couple for sale in the secondary market.


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