Perezcope latest - Daytona @ Auction - A 'Big Dred'.

[TuRo]

https://perezcope.com/2024/05/19/whe...ith-fake-dial/

[rootbeer7]

Just incredible.

[KY..]

The dial definitely looks like one of the eBay fake dials.
Glad I had Jose and other aficionados check out my 6263 in advance…

[Crown & Shield]

One would have to be seriously brain-damaged to buy any Rolex at auction today. Especially from those guys…

[1665fan]

Crooks everywhere these days

[DoricSpiker]

Dear me. A thoroughly depressing read. Just greed.


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[996marty]

Lots of points that should have been picked up on by the auction house and shame on them for not doing so

[1William]

Another investigation that does not work well for the sellers. A lot of shadiness with these auctions.

[brandrea]

What’s the vetting process for these auction houses? Do they offer any guarantee that you are buying an authentic watch?

[964RS]

Auction house responded here…

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Lz_2MN...AwbDdwemw0Y24w

[Fredrik]

Whoever wrote that auction house response made them look like real loosers... it even makes me think that they hastily had to find a non-counterfeit dial for some damage control.

[964RS]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Whoever wrote that auction house response made them look like real loosers... it even makes me think that they hastily had to find a non-counterfeit dial for some damage control.

It’s Davide Parmegiani’s personal account….

[Wahlberg]

Reading his post, they simply sourced a period correct dial? From where? How? Just like that. And then all is good to go again?

[MrBlobby]

It’s depressing stuff. Whatever the truth do we really need the stuff about cockroaches, cocaine and projectiles?

[Davidt]

It makes me wonder how some people succeed in their profession. On what planet is that response any kind of damage limitation?
He’s admitting the dial was fake, says “shit happens when cataloguing these auctions” and is unhappy an unrelated third party didn’t do their job for them and advise them sooner.

Disgusting

[WatchEater666]

I’m personally way too scared of vintage now. I just bought a bb54 and scratched the itch lol

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 964RS

Auction house responded here…

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Lz_2MN...AwbDdwemw0Y24w

Embarrassing response. They got busted, so they installed an authentic dial after the fact. Sigh.

[MrBlobby]

But don’t you think some of the criticism is overly aggressive or accusatorial when things can sometimes be more nuanced? Maybe that is why it is being taken personally and getting an emotional response?

[Davidt]

Originally Posted by MrBlobby

But don’t you think some of the criticism is overly aggressive or accusatorial when things can sometimes be more nuanced? Maybe that is why it is being taken personally and getting an emotional response?

I agree. I think Jose can be too personal sometimes and it dilutes his objective argument.
Looking past all the tit for tat between them on the comments all I’ve learned from this is never, ever consider buying from that auction house. They’re meant to be professional, catering to wealthy clients and their response is utterly ridiculous

[MrBlobby]

You wouldn’t bid on a lot you liked with Monaco legends because of the instagram response to Jose?

[Mattt]

This isn't the first time that the auction house has been caught engaging in "bad practices." Their damage control is also very poor. Unfortunately, it's a buyer-beware market.

[Davidt]

Originally Posted by MrBlobby

You wouldn’t bid on a lot you liked with Monaco legends because of the instagram response to Jose?

Well, I wouldn’t bid on most watches I might like at Monaco for two main reasons;
1. For ‘standard or relatively common’ references where I know the minutiae, I’d back myself to find a better example at a better price elsewhere.
2. For the ultra rare references, they’re not in my budget and even if they were, I wouldn’t trust their descriptions.

But in answer to your question, yes.

[MrBlobby]

That’s a good answer.

I do think that the auctions deserve a bit more credit than they are given. I enjoy looking through the catalogues. They also provide an important market place.

[one80]

Very strange that they could easily source and swap the dial… almost too convenient.
What a shambles

[pereztroika]

After letting Parmegiani's response sink in for a while, I believe the whole story is made up. A desperate attempt at damage control and saving face.

If they had been warned about the fake Vietnam dial (Parmegiani keeps saying it's a reprint but it's not) on April 5 as per screenshot, and they swapped the dial, why didn't they publish new pictures of the watch in their online catalogue? Why keep an obviously fake dial in there? That makes no sense. Also, the aforementioned screenshot has all hallmarks of being fabricated. Parmegiani and Pergola know each well. Pergola was in Parmegiani's contacts and they were already conversing ("Grazie a te"). Why would Pergola contact Parmegiani like this: "Hi Davide, I am Carlo Pergola, bla bla bla"? In addition, certain details of the screenshot are not consistent with what Whatsapp actually looks like. There are too large gaps and the date box is too wide with too much empty space left and right. Also, look at the time stamp. "Grazie a te" Thank you - 09:25, next 09:32 but on a different day? What a coincidence!

They have been caught with their pants down and instead of admitting the mistake, apologizing and moving on, they are digging a deeper whole for themselves. I thought they were smarter...


Cheers
Jose

[Dench]

It looks like they edited the whatsapp screenshot, so the peculiarities mentioned by Jose are now gone. What a travesty.

[996marty]

Originally Posted by 964RS

Auction house responded here…

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Lz_2MN...AwbDdwemw0Y24w

What an unbelievably bad defence full of personal barbs instead of being able to take their clear mistakes on the chin. On the whole it would seem to be very unprofessional from them on all counts

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by MrBlobby

But don’t you think some of the criticism is overly aggressive or accusatorial when things can sometimes be more nuanced? Maybe that is why it is being taken personally and getting an emotional response?

We're discussing misleading customers on a $70,000 watch, not including auction premiums and taxes. There's no room for subtlety. Since the watch was advertised and sold publicly, the refutation needed to be made publicly and assertively.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by pereztroika

After letting Parmegiani's response sink in for a while, I believe the whole story is made up. A desperate attempt at damage control and saving face.

If they had been warned about the fake Vietnam dial (Parmegiani keeps saying it's a reprint but it's not) on April 5 as per screenshot, and they swapped the dial, why didn't they publish new pictures of the watch in their online catalogue? Why keep an obviously fake dial in there? That makes no sense. Also, the aforementioned screenshot has all hallmarks of being fabricated. Parmegiani and Pergola know each well. Pergola was in Parmegiani's contacts and they were already conversing ("Grazie a te"). Why would Pergola contact Parmegiani like this: "Hi Davide, I am Carlo Pergola, bla bla bla"? In addition, certain details of the screenshot are not consistent with what Whatsapp actually looks like. There are too large gaps and the date box is too wide with too much empty space left and right. Also, look at the time stamp. "Grazie a te" Thank you - 09:25, next 09:32 but on a different day? What a coincidence!

They have been caught with their pants down and instead of admitting the mistake, apologizing and moving on, they are digging a deeper whole for themselves. I thought they were smarter...


Cheers
Jose

[rootbeer7]

“Hello buyer of $70k watch. The dial is a bit fake. We’ll just put another one in and then we’re good to go”.