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lightingball2 · 18 December 2019, 03:17 AM

Does anyone know what year they began to put the SEL bracelets on the 16710 GMT's? Were the no LUG holes added the same time the bracelets were? My buddy got a 16710 Pepsi with SEL but he DOES have LUG holes and I have a 16710 with NO lug holes and my bracelet does NOT have SEL's I thought all the NO lug holes had SEL's...... Mine is a Z serial I am not sure what my buddies serial is......

meyers · 18 December 2019, 03:32 AM

SEL bracelets were introduced on the 16710 sround 2000, iirc. Lug holes disappeared a few years later.

So yes all non lug hole 16710s ought to have either a SEL or jubilee bracelet

Nikrnic · 18 December 2019, 03:34 AM

Mines a late F ser. 2004/5 no holes. First year for SELs on a Gmtll was 2000 which I believe is a P ser. no. I'm sure it's also the same for the Submariner as well.

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GMT Aviator · 18 December 2019, 12:19 PM

Lug holes disappeared after late 2003 / early 2004.

sillo · 18 December 2019, 01:09 PM

If it's a no holes case it should have a SEL bracelet it it's an Oyster.

inadeje · 18 December 2019, 01:31 PM

I have a no lug hole SEL, in Europe these variants were introduced at the very end of 5 digit production, 2004/5 ish

Recaro18 · 18 December 2019, 02:59 PM

Late Y serial for no lug holes on 16710 (Circa 2003)

faimag · 18 December 2019, 05:30 PM

All no-lug-holes cases have SEL
Lug-holes cases have non-SEL mostly, except the early 2000s which have SEL

Loevhagen · 19 December 2019, 01:51 AM

http://gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-master_ref_16710.html

PepsiBezel · 19 December 2019, 03:22 AM

16710T = no lug holes.

Look on the clasp of your bracelet, when opened in the inside you will see two letters and a number — that is the clasp code. Google Rolex clasp code and it will give you an idea on when your bracelet (or its clasp) was produced.

GMT Aviator · 19 December 2019, 07:30 AM

I have a 2003 16710 Coke. SEL and Lug Holes.

I also have a couple of 2004 16710’s and they are both SEL No Lug Holes.

lightingball2 · 4 January 2020, 09:39 AM

So I looked up my clasp code.....here is whats interesting, my 16710 is a Z serial which would put that at 2006/2007 production. My Clasp code is OP which puts that as 2006 production. I have a no lug hole case but it has a NON SEL bracelet. I thought I would have SEL's. According to both codes, this is the right years for both items.......

sillo · 4 January 2020, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lightingball2

So I looked up my clasp code.....here is whats interesting, my 16710 is a Z serial which would put that at 2006/2007 production. My Clasp code is OP which puts that as 2006 production. I have a no lug hole case but it has a NON SEL bracelet. I thought I would have SEL's. According to both codes, this is the right years for both items.......

What is the reference on the bracelet? 78790 or 78790a?

Tools · 4 January 2020, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lightingball2

So I looked up my clasp code.....here is whats interesting, my 16710 is a Z serial which would put that at 2006/2007 production. My Clasp code is OP which puts that as 2006 production. I have a no lug hole case but it has a NON SEL bracelet. I thought I would have SEL's. According to both codes, this is the right years for both items.......

The 93150 bracelet was an option; these were never SEL, nor was the Jubilee 62510H.

lightingball2 · 7 January 2020, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sillo

What is the reference on the bracelet? 78790 or 78790a?

I just looked. It’s a 78790A

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PepsiBezel · 7 January 2020, 09:01 PM

If you take off the bracelet and look at the inner portion of the endlinks, what number is there? 801?

As the 78790A reference is on the clasp, it could be possible that the clasp is not original to the bracelet.

Can you post some pics?

sillo · 7 January 2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lightingball2

I just looked. It’s a 78790A

So something has definitely been swapped because that's the reference for the SEL bracelet.

Frakis · 8 January 2020, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightingball2

So I looked up my clasp code.....here is whats interesting, my 16710 is a Z serial which would put that at 2006/2007 production. My Clasp code is OP which puts that as 2006 production. I have a no lug hole case but it has a NON SEL bracelet. I thought I would have SEL's. According to both codes, this is the right years for both items.......

OP, is it possible that you may be getting confused with SEL (solid end link) which is 1 piece that connects to the case of the watch, and solid vs. hollow links?

These are not my pictures, but one shows the bracelet you should have, and the other is a close up with the solid end links.

18 December 2019, 03:17 AM	#1
lightingball2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Jeff K. Location: Sacramento, Calif Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 326	16710 GMT SEL and No LUG Holes Does anyone know what year they began to put the SEL bracelets on the 16710 GMT's? Were the no LUG holes added the same time the bracelets were? My buddy got a 16710 Pepsi with SEL but he DOES have LUG holes and I have a 16710 with NO lug holes and my bracelet does NOT have SEL's I thought all the NO lug holes had SEL's...... Mine is a Z serial I am not sure what my buddies serial is......

18 December 2019, 01:09 PM	#5
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18 December 2019, 02:59 PM	#7
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18 December 2019, 03:32 AM	#2
meyers Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: ○ Watch: 16710 Posts: 435	SEL bracelets were introduced on the 16710 sround 2000, iirc. Lug holes disappeared a few years later. So yes all non lug hole 16710s ought to have either a SEL or jubilee bracelet

18 December 2019, 03:34 AM	#3
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,172	Mines a late F ser. 2004/5 no holes. First year for SELs on a Gmtll was 2000 which I believe is a P ser. no. I'm sure it's also the same for the Submariner as well. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

18 December 2019, 12:19 PM	#4
GMT Aviator 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: London Posts: 3,318	Lug holes disappeared after late 2003 / early 2004.

18 December 2019, 05:30 PM	#8
faimag "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: US, SG, DK, GR Watch: Reverso Posts: 3,089	All no-lug-holes cases have SEL Lug-holes cases have non-SEL mostly, except the early 2000s which have SEL

19 December 2019, 01:51 AM	#9
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	http://gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-master_ref_16710.html

19 December 2019, 03:22 AM	#10
PepsiBezel 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Watch: Neo-Vintage Posts: 1,212	16710T = no lug holes. Look on the clasp of your bracelet, when opened in the inside you will see two letters and a number — that is the clasp code. Google Rolex clasp code and it will give you an idea on when your bracelet (or its clasp) was produced.

19 December 2019, 07:30 AM	#11
GMT Aviator 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: London Posts: 3,318	I have a 2003 16710 Coke. SEL and Lug Holes. I also have a couple of 2004 16710’s and they are both SEL No Lug Holes.

4 January 2020, 09:39 AM	#12
lightingball2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Jeff K. Location: Sacramento, Calif Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 326	So I looked up my clasp code.....here is whats interesting, my 16710 is a Z serial which would put that at 2006/2007 production. My Clasp code is OP which puts that as 2006 production. I have a no lug hole case but it has a NON SEL bracelet. I thought I would have SEL's. According to both codes, this is the right years for both items.......

7 January 2020, 09:01 PM	#16
PepsiBezel 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Watch: Neo-Vintage Posts: 1,212	If you take off the bracelet and look at the inner portion of the endlinks, what number is there? 801? As the 78790A reference is on the clasp, it could be possible that the clasp is not original to the bracelet. Can you post some pics?

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